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  • G Offline
    gigi500
    last edited by 5 Aug 2013, 17:16

    Actually I was using it on superellipsoid plug in...Have to investigate more with other shapes/versions. I was thinking myself that it's a conflict between plug-ins...

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    • T Offline
      TIG Moderator
      last edited by 6 Aug 2013, 08:43

      If you have a made a mesh surface with very very tiny facets [either one that's over all very very small or that is overly detailed with thousands of facets]... then like many such operations in SketchUp the SectionCutFce tool will sometimes fail to make full intersections - e.g. when the points at the start/end of an intersected line are so near to one another that SketchUp says they are in fact coincident and does make the tiny edge needed to complete the face and therefore the face will fail to form... It's a tolerance issue when performing operations on very small geometry...
      You get this with several tools - try the native FollowMe on a very tight radius path 'elbow' and a very segmented circle profile - some tiny triangular facets in the crook of the elbow will fail to be made...
      However, SectionCutFace ought to just 'not make the face' [as its loop is not complete] - it would perhaps leave incomplete edge loops if you have it set to keep ALL edges in options... It should not splat/crash! 😕

      Could you post a simple example of what's failing so we can all test it ?

      TIG

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      • G Offline
        gigi500
        last edited by 6 Aug 2013, 19:19

        Superellipsoid Plugin

        Version: Superellipsoid 1.0
        Release Date: July 1, 2010
        Requirements: SketchUp 6.0+
        I have it as a tool under "draw". The form comes in as a component. When I try to use a section cutface, it crashes the Sketch up. Tried to use sectioncutface with other solid forms and it's fine. It's really not that crucial:)))
        Thank you for all your plugins.

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        • T Offline
          TIG Moderator
          last edited by 7 Aug 2013, 08:19

          @gigi500 said:

          Superellipsoid Plugin

          Version: Superellipsoid 1.0
          Release Date: July 1, 2010
          Requirements: SketchUp 6.0+
          I have it as a tool under "draw". The form comes in as a component. When I try to use a section cutface, it crashes the Sketch up. Tried to use sectioncutface with other solid forms and it's fine. It's really not that crucial:)))
          Thank you for all your plugins.
          I have just been testing SectionCutFace on a Superellipsoid - it worked fine - no splats at all, faces formed properly etc.
          I used the default parameters...
          What setting do you have that might cause issues ?
          Is the 'cut' located outside or inside this component?? [makes no difference in my testing!]
          As I said before very tiny facets could cause failure when forming the face - but a splat is unlikely 😕

          Have you tried making a simple box component and cutting that ?
          If it crashes too you have something watching component-instances and instigating a crash

          What other plugins do you have loading? - some rogues are known to cause splats [actually it is they that splats, when a legit tool does an action that they interfere with or react to wrongly, via one of their observer etc, or they interfere with native classes/methods...] 😒
          The Vray-beta, various half-baked BIM tools, current SketchyPhysics... and a few others are on this "danger-list"...

          TIG

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          • S Offline
            SabiaSingh
            last edited by 8 Aug 2013, 11:53

            Dear Mr Tig
            re your kind reply to me on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:27 pm. i would like to say sincerely thank you
            for all your hard works and also for taking time to being reply to my question. I am doing as you say and it is sectioning perfectly. Many Many thanks and god bless. SS

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            • S Offline
              sfto1
              last edited by 10 Aug 2013, 17:23

              I just installed the latest version of Section Cut Face and the Glue option is not working. I selected yes in the glue option yet when I move the section plane the cut face disappears and it looks like an ordinary section plane view.

              What am I doing wrong?

              P.S.
              SU 8pro
              This is on my laptop with limited graphics.
              Installed thru plugin store.

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              • T Offline
                TIG Moderator
                last edited by 10 Aug 2013, 17:54

                @sfto1

                Can you post a simple SKP where it isn't working with three section-planes, one glued, one glued-on-demand and the other not glued at all [there are three options].

                We can then test it...

                TIG

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                • S Offline
                  sfto1
                  last edited by 10 Aug 2013, 21:35

                  TIG

                  This is the file I was practicing on. It is nothing special.

                  Thanks in advance for your interest in helping.

                  SFTO1


                  test skip.skp

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                  • T Offline
                    TIG Moderator
                    last edited by 11 Aug 2013, 12:37

                    Are you sure you have version 3.8 installed ?
                    Its Extension's description will show it...

                    Assuming you have it... then it should work.

                    I ran you test SKP - it worked fine.
                    There was no section-plane to test, but I added a new one on the end where you have left an 'orphaned' sectioncutface-group [which I deleted].
                    Because you had deleted the original plane I can't check its attributes etc 😒

                    I tested the SKP in v8 AND v2013 and it worked fine every time with both Glue and Glue-on-demand.

                    When you change a model - say by moving the section-plane or some geometry - then the Glued sectioncutface-group is auto-regenerated to suit the new circumstances, but only when you go on to the next tool, so using 'move' on the plane leaves the cut-group behind momentarily until your 'move' tool becomes something else - say 'select'. To recreate the group 'dynamically' for every tool you might use is too much of an overhead on the processing. Also remember that if your cut moves out of the geometry then no cut will be visible, as it's not made...

                    TIG

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                    • S Offline
                      sfto1
                      last edited by 11 Aug 2013, 14:04

                      I do have v3.8 and with your helpful explanation, I now realize that the cut face does not dynamically follow the section cut. It does in fact create the "glued" face when I switch to a different tool. I was not switching to a different tool.

                      Thanks for such a creative and useful tool.

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                      • Z Offline
                        z3325206
                        last edited by 14 Oct 2013, 07:40

                        Hi Tig,

                        I have successfully load the section cut face .rzb plugin into my sku8 via changed the file extension from .rzb to .zip then unzip it, it works fine with my sku8 pro.

                        Come to the sketch up vray render stage, i have create a section plane as image 1 shows,
                        but every time I render it, it still render it as a whole model as image 2 shows. The section cut face disappeared.

                        http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/frankyzhou/1_zpsae9f08fb.jpg?t=1381736127

                        Image1

                        http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/frankyzhou/2_zpsf867190d.jpg

                        Image2

                        how can I fix this problem?

                        Thank you for ur patience to answer my question.

                        Best regard,
                        Frank

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                        • cottyC Offline
                          cotty
                          last edited by 14 Oct 2013, 08:25

                          I think the renderer must support section cuts and it isn't a problem of the plugin. If so, you can save a copy of your model and use the "Slice Model at Section" option from Zorro2 (?) to delete the rest of the model for the render.

                          my SketchUp gallery

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                          • T Offline
                            TIG Moderator
                            last edited by 14 Oct 2013, 08:55

                            Unless your renderer supports section-cuts [unlikely for many of them] you must, as Cotty says, work on a copy of your model and slice it at the section-plane using Zorro2, then any section-cut-face you have added will show at that cut. Now it will render as expected.

                            I believe that the newest version of SUPodium has a tool to do something very much like this for you, automatically saving the model as a copy and then running zorro-like and section-cut-face-like operations on the selected section-plane in the copy...

                            TIG

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                            • cottyC Offline
                              cotty
                              last edited by 14 Oct 2013, 10:19

                              Indigo Renderer supports section cuts directly (see here).

                              my SketchUp gallery

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                              • Z Offline
                                z3325206
                                last edited by 15 Oct 2013, 00:33

                                @cotty said:

                                I think the renderer must support section cuts and it isn't a problem of the plugin. If so, you can save a copy of your model and use the "Slice Model at Section" option from Zorro2 (?) to delete the rest of the model for the render.

                                Thank you Cotty and Tig, It works fine with zorro2 in sku8.

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                                • J Offline
                                  JAD JM
                                  last edited by 16 Oct 2013, 13:37

                                  Hi TIG, Does this plugin work for Mac?

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                                  • Dave RD Offline
                                    Dave R
                                    last edited by 16 Oct 2013, 14:47

                                    @jad jm said:

                                    Hi TIG, Does this plugin work for Mac?

                                    It works just fine on Mac.

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                                    • danchoD Offline
                                      dancho
                                      last edited by 24 Oct 2013, 15:08

                                      Hi Tig,
                                      thanks for a recent help. Now I have one interesting problem.
                                      After reinstalling a sketchup 2013, put on several plugins only.
                                      SketchuUV ; AdditionalPluginFolder ; Sketchucation loader and your plugin SectionCut Face.

                                      Using this plugin in small scene cca 30Mb interior I have strange delay when I need to
                                      orbit a scene. My sketchup slow down on a strange way. After that I was trying with other files 20-120Mb sizes but the same.
                                      After removing a plugin everything is fine.
                                      Do you know some solution for this?

                                      Sketchup 2013, Windows 7 Home P. x64,

                                      Thanks
                                      Daniel

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                                      • T Offline
                                        TIG Moderator
                                        last edited by 24 Oct 2013, 15:12

                                        On large models gluing a section-cut to a section-plane can slow things down noticeably, because at each change to the model it has to decide if the section-cut is modified by that...
                                        Therefore using the alternative glue-on-demand mode is recommend, or even no-gluing_remake if the section-plane or model being cut by it changes...

                                        TIG

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                                        • atelierpaarA Offline
                                          atelierpaar
                                          last edited by 3 Nov 2013, 19:38

                                          Hello Tig,
                                          thanks for this great plugin. Its a tremendous advantage to glue the section plane. I noticed so, that its not possible to change colors or textures once they are applied. That´s to bad, since I usually differentiate my sections. Is there a workaround ?
                                          anyway`s, congratulation one more time
                                          Uli

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