Layout 2013 Issues

sfto1 · 1 Jun 2013, 01:06

Another issue that drives me crazy is that you can't shorten the extension lines that run past the slash, arrow, etc. They are, in my opinion, too long and require dimensions to be spaced out too much to avoid overlapping.

I agree!

Krisidious,

Thanks for the tut on changing that extension. Seriously, how did you find that out?

Krisidious · 1 Jun 2013, 01:20

I was griping about it and Gaieus showed me the light. He gets all credit.

Dave R · 1 Jun 2013, 02:36

That particular thing has been that way since dimensions were first introduced. It might help to understand that a dimension is a sort of group with some different lines and a text box.

Krisidious · 1 Jun 2013, 02:37

except constraints don't work inside of it...

Dave R · 1 Jun 2013, 02:42

As I said, "sort of a group."

My point is that just like a group, all of the elements can be edited.

If I'd known this was such an unknown thing, I guess I'd have made a post about it a long time ago.

Krisidious · 1 Jun 2013, 03:00

I doubt many people using Layout know it. Well worth a tut or post.

Gaieus · 1 Jun 2013, 14:40

@krisidious said:

I doubt many people using Layout know it. Well worth a tut or post.

Well noted!

Krisidious · 1 Jun 2013, 18:32

can anyone else confirm that copy geometry from sketchup and paste into layout does not work now?

timzy · 3 Jun 2013, 04:03

"Why is it that if I have a dimensioned model instance and I copy and paste it to another page that all the dimensions revert to page dimensions."

For this very reason I abandoned the Auto Scale feature. I always set the scale manually, and proceed to dimension the view. Not only does this allow copy/paste but dimensions can be grouped / nudged / resized / ctr copied and so on. I guess the new array copy could be used as well. You can also use a group of dimensions on a differently scaled view and set the scale on the whole group in one click - good if you have parts with a similar relationship but different sizes.

"Or, if I stick with dimensioning in layout, it would be nice to force it to dimension at a particular plane so you don't have to spend so much time generating vector linework to snap to without getting weird dimensions due to height differences of geometry. Is it too much to ask that if you are in parallel projection that layout can only give dimensions as if the geometry was all in the same plane?"

Weird... I stopped dimensioning in Sketchup primarily because of the non-ortho behavior and have never experienced it in Layout. In fact I seem unable to reproduce the issue.

"I do tons of perspective dimensioning for intricate timber and steel configurations. Sure would be nice to be able to do that in Layout."

Curious... I just tested this and using the Auto Scale feature and it worked but nothing can be adjusted or it reverts to page scale. Could be exploded I guess.

Not using 2013 yet - will be very annoyed if the paste geometry feature is gone.

Krisidious · 3 Jun 2013, 05:10

precision is strange. When drawing in layout, typing in measurements gets mixed results.
constraints don't seem to lock with shift.
45 degree perpendicular constraint just does not work, shows purple guide but line snaps to 90 degrees.
no offset tool
no trim tool
unable to move by snap or grip... snaps are limited in copy/movement to certain circumstances.
needs continuous dimensioning.
has groups... needs components.
My toolbars still float around from session to session. Actually I guess they are Trays.
copy geometry from sketchup and paste into layout does not work now?
constraints don't work inside of dimensions.
when drawing linework, beginning a new line atop an old end point converts line to a curve.
unable to edit, cut, glue inside of a group.

JuanV.Soler · 3 Jun 2013, 07:24

@krisidious said:

can anyone else confirm that copy geometry from sketchup and paste into layout does not work now?

correct , it does not work here either

Krisidious · 3 Jun 2013, 07:38

damnit... Who the hell is responsible for this? They obviously didn't watch Nick Sonder's Tutorial.

otb designworks · 3 Jun 2013, 15:00

@dave r said:

You're right. Selecting the eye dropper allows you to sample an entity and apply it's style, font, etc. to other existing entities. How about using Tools/Style which on my Mac has B set as the default shortcut.

Excellent, that's the one. Thanks, Dave

marcdurant · 3 Jun 2013, 17:07

Hi all-

The "copy from SketchUp and paste in LayOut" bug was introduced by some of the major refactoring in SketchUp. A fix for this is in QA as we speak and should be available soon.

thanks,
Marc

otb designworks · 3 Jun 2013, 17:13

great news, Marc, thanks

timzy · 3 Jun 2013, 17:17

Nope to the copy paste.

It does paste in a square. If you try it and check the references it seems to think there is an embedded model. and... try it and then apply a new style to the blank square and it will accept the style. also It seems I can double click into a 3D orbit - just no geometry made it through. If exploded the references get updated with an invisible square png.

Definitely broken but seems to be trying.... maybe there is still hope.

I thought the "send to layout" from Sketchup might be it but it opens a whole new layout document and adds in the whole model.

timzy · 3 Jun 2013, 17:18

Ohhh- I type too slow.

Great news!

Krisidious · 3 Jun 2013, 17:55

yes, that's good news Marc.

sonder · 3 Jun 2013, 18:53

Yes, thanks Marc. Fixing that bug is huge for me. I use that process quite a bit.

Krisidious · 3 Jun 2013, 20:24

@unknownuser said:

Yes, thanks Marc. Fixing that bug is huge for me. I use that process quite a bit.

Yes you do... and I liked it quite a bit when I saw you use it. It's not good for changes down the road, but it's nice when you just want some linework transferred over.