SketchUp 2013 ;)
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@frederik said:
You obviously don't like the smell here, so I fail to understand why you're still here...
@jason_maranto said:
However I always hope against hope that I will become such an foul irritant, and Bacus will be so put out, that he will actually do something productive with SketchUp just to shut me up.
There is your answer -- otherwise I have no real purpose here... I hope I am irritating Bacus as much as I am irritating you.
This is the reason I turned down the "Top SketchUcator" position when I was offered it last year -- if I were in a position of representing SketchUcation I would not feel free to be this honest. But since I represent nobody but myself I can act in whatever suits my ends... you may try to work within the system for change, I am trying to apply external pressure.
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@rich o brien said:
The only thing that irks me in your posts is that you refer to someone by their surname. For some reason that really pisses me off?
I'm not sure how it is over there, but John is an incredibly common first name here -- so in order to make it clear who I am targeting I use his surname.
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@jason_maranto said:
First off, let my say clearly I left here after those last posts and never came back until 2013 was released... and I only came back to make it absolutely crystal clear that this release was deficient...
Why don't you then just jump off...?
@jason_maranto said:
John Bacus is the head -- ultimately he is the one responsible for everything that the SketchUp team does or does not do do... when things go well he deserved credit, when things go wrong he deserves blame.
Although he's the head, he's not the CEO of SketchUp and/or Trimble...
Actually he's the Product Management Director... I'm not even sure if he's the top guy of the SU Team...
Another fact... He's not even a part of the Trimble Executive Team - (as far as I know and are able to see)...It's the Executive Team of Trimble who initiate the strategies and John Bacus (JB) is the person responsible for implementing it within his team...
Yes, the Executive Team will ask for his advice now and then, but ultimately they're the ones who are setting the strategy forth...If JB doesn't like the strategy set forth, he's likely to step down by himself...
If JB fails to implement the strategy, he will be made redundant...You're making assumptions and you're comparing apples with water melons...
@jason_maranto said:
I actually expected to be banned by now...
You can ban yourself and remain staying away from here...
You obviously don't like the smell here, so I fail to understand why you're still here...@jason_maranto said:
I'm not opposed to spending real money on my applications, provided they are worthwhile -- SketchUp is not and has not been worthwhile for a long time now.
This is your personal opinion, I respect that, but please don't make your opinion sound like it's everybody feel...
Obviously SU isn't something for your toolbox anymore, so please go ahead and find another application...
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This thread is becoming increasingly sour...
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Yeah, John is common here too. But referring to someone by their surname is kinda an insult unless you know them personally for a period.
It may just be a difference in culture.
I've vented it now. I might edit your posts to replace Bacus with 'darling' but it may take the edge off your intentions
Can someone tell me what it auto decides in google when you type 'why i hate' into the search? I got this....
ED ANGER SAYS: I HATE THE IRISH!
ED ANGER SAYS: I HATE THE IRISH! Iβm madder than a leprechaun with a crooked shillelagh about St. Patrickβs Day!
Weekly World News (weeklyworldnews.com)
...i hope it is a local search result or something or the world is lying to the irish.
I was always under the impression it was Norwegians that were most reviled?
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@jason_maranto said:
I hope I am irritating Bacus as much as I am irritating you.
Much more clear... I understand everything completely now...
Although I was very tempted yesterday, I didn't comment on anything you wrote...
But today I felt the urge to say something, cause I fail to understand your motive...Obviously you have a very strong opinion about how SU have developed over the past years... That's fine by me... I really don't have any issues with that...
You're entitled to have your own opinion...However, I seem to loose understanding, why you're still here...
I've abandoned several applications, which I previously was using on a daily basis, but because other applications suited my needs better, I skipped the first and took aboard another...@jason_maranto said:
This is the reason I turned down the "Top SketchUcator" position when I was offered it last year -- if I were in a position of representing SketchUcation I would not feel free to be this honest.
What a ridiculous argument...
Just because I'm a Top Sketchucator, it absolutely does not mean that I can't speak my mind...
If someone feel I'm too open in whatever I express, they are welcome to revoke my TS badge...It's called freedom of speech...
@jason_maranto said:
I am trying to apply external pressure.
And you'll soon see that you'll fail...
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Actually "darling" may be even more funny -- I'm good with it
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@jason_maranto said:
There is your answer -- otherwise I have no real purpose here... I hope I am irritating Bacus as much as I am irritating you.
But that's just the point; you're not really irritating anyone...at least not in any kind of constructive way. Your attitude is so over-the-top that it's more like having someone in the room suffering from Asperger's...more an embarrassment than an irritant.
The notion that you imagine that your diatribes would ever influence John Bacus enough to meet your demands just to shut you up is beyond laughable.
Your obvious contempt for the software, the Project manager, the dev team...and even other users here (whom you seem to regard as naive toadies with no experience beyond SU) begs the question that Frederik posed..."Why are you still here?"Personally, I've had many years experience with both Max and Rhino. I've also tried Lightwave, C4D, Maya, SoftImage, Modo, Wings3D, MOI and a host of others. I prefer SU to all of them, warts and all; it suits my workflow. It obviously doesn't suit yours.
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@d12dozr said:
The big features in this release are Layout improvements and the Extension Warehouse. Do you negative nancys really not see what a BIG FREAKING DEAL the Extensions warehouse is?? And just because you don't personally use Layout doesn't mean countless other folks don't appreciate the update.
I think the negative comments are a good thing. Trimble needs to fully understand what their SketchUp customers want and expect going forward and this is the place for them to hear it.
I am, like most, completely underwhelmed to the extent that I worry about the future. A development team that is completely in the dark about my needs as a customer is not something that I can cheer about. The EW is something we already have here at Sketchucation and the reference to Layout borders on silliness. A simplified hatch tool that I can only use in LO but not in SketchUp and curved leaders? That's an upgrade? You still cannot dimension objects in 3D to any reasonable extent. Dimensions are only minimally associative. A hatch tool that you can only use if you draw in LO is no hatch tool at all - it's a gimmick. With this upgrade I'll use Layout exactly as I have in the past - as a way to format the size of SketchUp images for export to another program.
To put it in simple terms - this is an upgrade that will not upgrade my SketchUp or LO workflow in any way whatsoever. Thom thom's Vertex Tools changed the way I use SketchUp - and it only cost me $20. 2D Tools also changed my workflow fundamentally and it was free. Trimble gives me a way to access those tools and calls it an upgrade? Really ...
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@rich o brien said:
Yeah, John is common here too. But referring to someone by their surname is kinda an insult unless you know them personally for a period.
It may just be a difference in culture.
I was under the impression that, maybe a few decades ago, that it was common to address people by their last name if you didn't know them that well. Maybe prefixing with "Mr" etc...
@rich o brien said:
Can someone tell me what it auto decides in google when you type 'why i hate' into the search? I got this....
ED ANGER SAYS: I HATE THE IRISH!
ED ANGER SAYS: I HATE THE IRISH! Iβm madder than a leprechaun with a crooked shillelagh about St. Patrickβs Day!
Weekly World News (weeklyworldnews.com)
...i hope it is a local search result or something or the world is lying to the irish.
The first result for me was: http://whyihatepeople.com/@rich o brien said:
I was always under the impression it was Norwegians that were most reviled?[/offtopic]
Yeh pick a fight ye Potato-eating, beer-puking Pope-lover?
...I thought it was the French...
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@alan fraser said:
But that's just the point; you're not really irritating anyone...at least not in any kind of constructive way. Your attitude is so over-the-top that it's more like having someone in the room suffering from Asperger's...more an embarrassment than an irritant.
That's SO well said...
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@frederik said:
@jason_maranto said:
This is the reason I turned down the "Top SketchUcator" position when I was offered it last year -- if I were in a position of representing SketchUcation I would not feel free to be this honest.
What a ridiculous argument...
Just because I'm a Top Sketchucator, it absolutely does not mean that I can't speak my mind...
If someone feel I'm too open in whatever I express, they are welcome to revoke my TS badge...It's called freedom of speech...
Perhaps I simply see the responsibility differently than you -- to me I would not want to do anything to undermine this community, or cause problems for the fine people who run it, as long as it could be said I am somehow representing them.
@frederik said:
@jason_maranto said:
I am trying to apply external pressure.
And you'll soon see that you'll fail...
Perhaps.
I have alot of time and some money invested in SketchUp -- I do like the many good things about this program... most of which were in place from the @last regime. I would love nothing better than to see a SketchUp update come out that I could be enthusiastically behind and promote as faithfully as I have in the past.
Maybe you don't know this, but I have been a staunch defender and promoter of SketchUp in many ways up till recently -- I decided that that approach was getting me nowhere. Will this approach get more results? maybe not -- but it cannot achieve less results.
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@thomthom said:
This thread is becoming increasingly sour...
Are you want candy and prayseful thread about new 13?
Nowhere... only hot and sharp.(i work with new toolbar, suddenly skipy shut down without bugsplating)
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@ilay7k said:
Are you want candy and prayseful thread about new 13?
Critique is fine. People-bashing is not.
Now everyone look at the cute puppy and chill!
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@jason_maranto said:
Perhaps I simply see the responsibility differently than you -- to me I would not want to do anything to undermine this community, or cause problems for the fine people who run it, as long as it could be said I am somehow representing them.
To some extend I - surprisingly - do understand your argument here...
However... If I felt that something I represented was moving in the opposite direction as to where my passion is, I'd need to take my clothes and step away...
(in other words, I'd return my badge...)This is similar to what I wrote previously about John Bacus...
@frederik said:
If JB doesn't like the strategy set forth, he's likely to step down by himself...
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@arail1 said:
I think the negative comments are a good thing. Trimble needs to fully understand what their SketchUp customers want and expect going forward and this is the place for them to hear it.
By all means, let the team know what you don't like, but why not keep it constructive rather than negative?
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Somebody is making mention of rhino3d in this thread, does it possible to make or add code snippet to it(via dialog like Jim's Web Console or A.Schreyer's Code editor) ? Like in rhino, if RMB clicking or maintain gui in it. New button linked to code.
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@unknownuser said:
I thought it was the French
Drink only fine wines and eat succulent mashed patatoes in sauce!
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