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      d12dozr
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      I simply don't get the hostility in this thread.

      The big features in this release are Layout improvements and the Extension Warehouse. Do you negative nancys really not see what a BIG FREAKING DEAL the Extensions warehouse is?? And just because you don't personally use Layout doesn't mean countless other folks don't appreciate the update.

      When was the last time you got really excited about something Sketchup related? Likely is was some kind of plugin - Thea, Maxwell, Fredo's TopoShaper, Sketchucation's Plugin Store. The Extensions Warehouse (EW) is just going to make these kind of things more visible and more frequent. Ever since the last Basecamp, Trimble made it clear that they're committed to enabling plugin authors.

      Think of the Apple App store or Google Play and the thousands of options available on your smartphone...now bring that same environment, energy, and excitement to create the next big thing to Sketchup. Sketchup becomes a platform for plugin devs to launch apps that allow the rest of us to make awesome stuff.

      I'm all for letting the team know what we want...we've been demanding a better plugin system for years, and now we have it. I'm delighted! Sure there's room for improvement - SCF's Plugin Store is better in some ways. So lets tell the team what we want and let them do their job.

      If Sketchup isn't working for you, move on! I for one am sick of the endless whining of a few grouches.

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        archheni
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        @d12dozr said:

        I simply don't get the hostility in this thread.

        The big features in this release are Layout improvements and the Extension Warehouse. Do you negative nancys really not see what a BIG FREAKING DEAL the Extensions warehouse is?? And just because you don't personally use Layout doesn't mean countless other folks don't appreciate the update.

        Oh..is it really.. or rather an evidence of incapacity!? What was the last tool they developed by themselves -booleans??

        Sure, more people are going to install, use and eventually develop plugins - but where are the underlying improvements in SU itself for such a bold move? Where is the performance boost, multicore support, 64bit, stability, polycount etc..? There are simply too many limitations and bottlenecks. I know plugin operations which take minutes in SU that can be done in less than 3s in other programs if executed..

        If it's Trimble's strategy to put the future development of SU tools into the hand of 3rd party developers, they should get their house in order first. But exactly that hasn't happened yet.

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        • KrisidiousK Offline
          Krisidious
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          @unknownuser said:

          Does anyone seriously believe that a Free version of anything should be available for Professional use ?

          If you want to make money from it, pay for it.....it's quite simple....!

          I seriously do... Even though I pay for Pro. I think that making certain tools only available to the pros limits the abuse, while allowing people from poorer countries and those with very small companies that are struggling in these hard times to build their respective businesses. They need every penny they can get. Do you realize how much money $600.00 is to an Indian or Pakistani?

          In previous versions it's not like the free people were getting much out of it. No Layout, no DWG export, No solids tools... I'm sure I'm missing a few things. But then after that there are the part time developers, We will push some away to free programs if we force them to pay for something they really don't use to make money.

          Personally, I liked the way it was. Pay for Pro and use SU "Make" for free.

          MAKE SketchUp "Make" Free!

          By: Kristoff Rand
          Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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          • KrisidiousK Offline
            Krisidious
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            @archheni said:

            Where is the performance boost, multicore support, 64bit, stability, polycount etc..?

            3 of the 5 have been addressed in this version and the other 2 have been beaten like a dead horse in here with many of our top SketchUp minds saying it's unneeded.

            I have a 64bit multi-core system with 32 gigs of ram... If they make it 64 bit I'm not going to complain, but I don't know that I have seen anyone prove Thom, John and the others wrong. And obviously a International Power House of a Company that has tons of other construction related software didn't see the reasoning either.

            I defer on that matter to more informed minds.

            Speaking of those minds. I have spoken with Bacus a few times, one of the few CEO's/ Managers/Decision makers (what ever he is), of software that I own that has ever given much of a crap about what I or anyone in some forum on the internet thinks. I have always found him to be forthright, polite and interested in our ideas. I have 0% interest in seeing him leave SketchUp. This can be said of many of the employees of SU, I see many of them here and they are always looking to help or listen. The choices they make afterward are up to them and their business model. I appreciate being heard.

            I'm not excited about this release either and I'm not "defending" it... I'm defending the software as a whole. Frankly, it feels like a maintenance release, however the backside changes seem to be impressive and the improvement in stability was needed badly. Whatsmore I needed these layout changes like yesterday.

            By: Kristoff Rand
            Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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              archheni
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              Well then can somebody please show and explain the full list of those 3 improvements? What exactly has been improved in terms of performance? How does it effect the workflow? Do plugins get executed faster now? Does SU still crashes or freezes when running out of memory?

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              • KrisidiousK Offline
                Krisidious
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                I believe there are a few other threads with the more background based stuff going on right now, I'll look to find them and update this. So far I have had one crash, but I wasn't working in SU when it happened. Things seem faster and more stable to me. Opening the program is faster. I think I heard Chris Fullmer say they rebuilt the whole thing, but like I said I don't follow software coding talk. Plugins do seem to execute faster, like profile builder builds detailed crowns much faster now. I don't know that workflow is affected... Except for Layout Improvements.

                I think this is one where they discuss background stuff.

                http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=52489

                By: Kristoff Rand
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                • Rich O BrienR Online
                  Rich O Brien Moderator
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                  It is easy to test performance because you can have v8 and v2013 installed in tandem.

                  I personally don't see the improvement in speed. I know startup times are reduced and the whole UI got a much needed face lift.

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                    Pixero
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                    If there are improvements, why don't they tell us about it?
                    How am I (i'm not using Layout) going to convince my boss to buy the new version?
                    "Well...eh, it starts faster" is not going to be enough to convince him.

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                    • Rich O BrienR Online
                      Rich O Brien Moderator
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                      Doesn't the blog tell you LayOut has a 40% speed improvement and another level of zoom?

                      I haven't read it.

                      What I typical measure in a new release is mesh selection speeds. V7.1 is still the fastest when making selections. V2013 is slower than v8.

                      File import speeds are the same and still incredibly slow.

                      Mesh generation is faster. Things like Artisan and CurviLoft are faster.

                      Toolbar fixing is a big deal but the padding around the toolbars is larger so real estate is chewed up a bit.

                      Did you not run the trial?

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                        numerobis
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                        @thomthom said:

                        And another thing - it was in April 2012 that SketchUp became part of Trimble. That just a little bit over a year from which they got new owners with new goals.

                        I see this release as turning around a big ship.

                        Yes, maybe... but this is no reason for me to sell such a small improvement as full update!
                        This is a tiny service release not more. If the big new features are not ready now why release a full number update at all now? To make money? If i don't get anything new, why should i pay for Trimble's development cost?!? This happens if the new features get released. Is this Kickstarter or what? Will i get a T-shirt when i buy an update?

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                          Hieru
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                          @numerobis said:

                          This is a tiny service release not more. If the big new features are not ready now why release a full number update at all now? To make money?

                          Because many customers would probably be more annoyed if they had to wait until 2014 for the first true Trimble release? I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for the developers. Releasing a lacklustre version now is probably better than a late 2013 release or no update at all this year.

                          Also, it wouldn't surprise me if we were to see a major maintenance release towards the end of the year (when the real improvements are ready πŸ˜‰ ).

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                            Pixero
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                            @rich o brien said:

                            Doesn't the blog tell you LayOut has a 40% speed improvement and another level of zoom?

                            I haven't read it.

                            What I typical measure in a new release is mesh selection speeds. V7.1 is still the fastest when making selections. V2013 is slower than v8.

                            File import speeds are the same and still incredibly slow.

                            Mesh generation is faster. Things like Artisan and CurviLoft are faster.

                            Toolbar fixing is a big deal but the padding around the toolbars is larger so real estate is chewed up a bit.

                            Did you not run the trial?

                            As I said, if there are improvements to SketchUp (I'm not using Layout) why don't they tell us?
                            Why do we have to test and guess what has been improved?
                            Don't they know that many users will have to go to their boss and ask to buy a new version and that we need to have solid arguments to why the upgrade is necessary?
                            I'm not saying I'm disapointed or anything, I just want some facts (about SketchUp fixes) I can tell my boss or I will not be allowed to buy the new version.

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                            • KrisidiousK Offline
                              Krisidious
                              last edited by

                              @pixero said:

                              As I said, if there are improvements to SketchUp (I'm not using Layout) why don't they tell us?
                              Why do we have to test and guess what has been improved?
                              Don't they know that many users will have to go to their boss and ask to buy a new version and that we need to have solid arguments to why the upgrade is necessary?
                              I'm not saying I'm disapointed or anything, I just want some facts (about SketchUp fixes) I can tell my boss or I will not be allowed to buy the new version.

                              Here... I think this is what you're looking for.

                              Just a moment...

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                              • PixeroP Offline
                                Pixero
                                last edited by

                                Thanks for the link. Now let's see if it's good enough for my boss... πŸ˜’

                                I would have liked if they had detailed this a bit more though:
                                "Lots of little tweaks, bugs fixes and improvements were made to existing features."

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                                  kaas
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                                  @krisidious said:

                                  Plugins do seem to execute faster, like profile builder builds detailed crowns much faster now.

                                  A question for you: when you select a profile, you have a preview image visible? I was missing mine during a test run.


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                                    numerobis
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                                    @hieru said:

                                    Because many customers would probably be more annoyed if they had to wait until 2014 for the first true Trimble release? I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for the developers. Releasing a lacklustre version now is probably better than a late 2013 release or no update at all this year.

                                    Also, it wouldn't surprise me if we were to see a major maintenance release towards the end of the year (when the real improvements are ready πŸ˜‰ ).

                                    You are kidding, right? Why should i be less annoyed getting this useless update now?
                                    If i don't have anything to show i can't release an update. Why should i buy this update? Only because Trimble means i should do it now? To get a new Trimble folder on my ssd instead of the google one?

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                                    • thomthomT Offline
                                      thomthom
                                      last edited by

                                      @archheni said:

                                      What exactly has been improved in terms of performance? How does it effect the workflow? Do plugins get executed faster now? Does SU still crashes or freezes when running out of memory?

                                      Actually, there are indications that plugins execute faster. Though I'm not sure what internal change it's related to. But some early profiling show in some cases show improvement. I plan to run some comparison tests soon.
                                      And there are several bugsplat issues that's been fixed.

                                      Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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                                      • Rich O BrienR Online
                                        Rich O Brien Moderator
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                                        @Pixero

                                        The splats when you applied materials with certain render apps installed is gone. I suffered from this with Indigo at times

                                        View > Toolbars is gone and replaced with an alphabetically sorted dialog to toggle toolbars on and off

                                        The SDK for devs is rewritten

                                        Getting started toolbar has changed along with the order of icons in the Camera Tools and Large Toolset

                                        New cursors with tooltips and description on hover

                                        New material libraries Geometric Tiles, Material symbols and Tonal Patterns

                                        Networked startup times improved

                                        HD animation export

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                                        • KrisidiousK Offline
                                          Krisidious
                                          last edited by

                                          @kaas said:

                                          @krisidious said:

                                          Plugins do seem to execute faster, like profile builder builds detailed crowns much faster now.

                                          A question for you: when you select a profile, you have a preview image visible? I was missing mine during a test run.

                                          you need to replace a java file in your installation. more info here.

                                          http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=323&t=52501

                                          By: Kristoff Rand
                                          Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                                          • thomthomT Offline
                                            thomthom
                                            last edited by

                                            Well, money speaks. If you don't feel SU2013 is worth it you can hold on until the next release.

                                            I personally find the EW alone is worth it. I've nver been much of Layout user - but I do appreciate the changes.

                                            But as always with these things - mileage will vary.

                                            Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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