Tgi3D SU Amorph and PhotoScan Update (v1.20)
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Here's a response I received to some unwrapping queries I had...
@unknownuser said:
In texturing, the unwrap method tries to map the geometry with no distortion. Unwrap method works best when you can flatten the selected surface without any tears. If it has to place tears, it does not quite know where best to place them. You can indeed select chunks of mesh and texture piece by piece.
In either spherical or unwrap mode, the selected part of the mesh can be already textured, then the newly created texture will seamlessly merge with the existing texture. This is especially useful when you have to texture the whole mesh in chunks. This way you can edit your textures to be seamless between chunks. You can even repair existing texture seams using this feature.
I'm sure Gulcan will add to this.
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Hi Rob,
I am not sure I understand your question correctly but here is my answer to different alternatives:
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If you are asking for a UV map editor like in 3DS Max; No, we do not have such an editor.
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If you are asking whether you could "edit" the texture that was already mapped on a surface; Yes, you could certainly do that from "edit texture" in SketchUp. What Tgi3D has additionally is that you can select an area that has already texture on it, the uv map will preserve it so that any further edits you do on the texture will merge seamlessly with the existing texture (second paragraph in Rich's quote essentially talks about that as well)
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If you are asking whether you could preserve the texture while editing the surface, current version cannot do that, i.e. when you edit the surface the texture breaks. However we do have a very soon to be released new version where you would be able to do exactly that, i.e. the texture map dynamically adjusts as you edit the texture.
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@unknownuser said:
However we do have a very soon to be released new version where you would be able to do exactly that, i.e. the texture map dynamically adjusts as you edit the texture
Ooooh!! been hoping for this feature most of my Sketchup life.
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OK here are a couple quick unedited teaser videos
to show what is in the works in terms of preservation of texture during edits...Video 1: texture map dynamically adjusts as the surface is edited with various Tgi3D's own editing operations.
[flash=480,385:39nu876v]http://www.youtube.com/v/Rz6NF_WBed8?fs=1&hl=en_US[/flash:39nu876v]
Video 2: The texture map is "safeguarded" and then "restored" when using regular SketchUp editing operations.
[flash=480,385:39nu876v]http://www.youtube.com/v/f828QRYJIDk?fs=1&hl=en_US[/flash:39nu876v]
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Your teaser videos pushed me over the edge. I have made the purchase!
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Thank you!
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How does the license work?
One license per PC or per simultaneous user?
(Thea for example lets you install on up to three PCs but only use one at a time.)
Since I'm most interested in the texturing bit I think it's a bit too expensive if I need to buy three licenses.
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Hi Pixero,
Thank you for your interest in Tgi3D SU Amorph.
Currently our licenses are issued "per computer" (allowing faster, local license verification without internet connection). The scheme you describe, what is called "single-user license", permits multiple copies (up to a certain amount) to be installed under the same license but allow a single use at a given time. This requires that the software be in contact with the license servers at all times and allow only one copy to be operational at a given time.
We are aware that many users now own multiple computers (at least one at home and one at work) and need to be able to use the same software on each without any additional cost. We are trying to figure out a remedy for this, we may move to a similar licensing scheme as described which will require some development time or maybe have a "2 for 1 sale"
.To our existing customers; please rest assured that any remedy we come up with will be "backward compatible", i.e. you will be able install multiple copies for single concurrent use (if we move to user based licensing scheme) or get another copy for free (if it is a sale)
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Thanks for your response. I'll try to clarify. I have a highly simplified tree trunk that I've smoothed. I select the smoothed face and select Create Texture and tick the UV Unwrap method with Create UV. You can see in the attached images that the UV Map could do with some pulling around so that faces don't overlap. Is there any way to do this? If not, how can I control how it unwraps?
Many thanks
Rob
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Hi Rob,
Currently we do not have a way to edit the UV map. We do have plans for additional mapping methods, other than unwrap and spherical. For now, you can try following approaches here.
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Try "spherical" as the mapping method. If the resulting UV map is not distorted too much, it may be a better mapping method here. To minimize distortion in this method you can work with smaller chunks.
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You can select the area that had an overlap and portions from the surrounding area. Use "create texture" again on this area. The texture that has already been mapped will be preserved and then you can fix the texture to fit seamlessly with the surrounding texture in the image editor.
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The "unwrap" method tries to map the geometry with no distortion, so in order to minimize overlaps or unusual tears you may try to apply texture in smaller chunks (in your case two chunks may be enough). Using a similar idea described in (2) you select second chunk to include portions of already textured area together with the non-textured area and then fit the following texture seamlessly in the image editor.
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Thank-you for these awesome tools -- I use the free version now but plan to purchase the full version in the near future
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You won't be disappointed Jason. I guarantee it!
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Great work! You all are putting together such an impressive toolset. I love the free version, but all of these new features are really twisting my arm to make the purchase. My only request would be that the check for updates feature at startup be either streamlined or set to a manual check. Ever since installing the free Amorph edition, my waiting times at SU startup have tripled.
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@earthmover said:
My only request would be that the check for updates feature at startup be either streamlined or set to a manual check. Ever since installing the free Amorph edition, my waiting times at SU startup have tripled.
Yes, that waiting actually made me uninstall the free version.
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Jason, Rich and Adam, Thank you for your kind words.
@earthmover said:
My only request would be that the check for updates feature at startup be either streamlined or set to a manual check. Ever since installing the free Amorph edition, my waiting times at SU startup have tripled.
Adam and Jan, we have been looking into this issue. "Check for updates" is not the problem. In any case it only checks for updates every 10 loads or so, not in every start. We have some ideas we are testing right now and hopefully we will be able to speed up the loading process.
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The startup time for Sketchup is I'd guess at least doubled if not trebled when Tgi3D tools is auto-loaded... You can't disable its loading and manually load it later as you need it, because using load or require with the tgi3d.rbs file seems to give errors...
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@gulcanocali said:
Hi Pixero,
We are aware that many users now own multiple computers (at least one at home and one at work) and need to be able to use the same software on each without any additional cost. We are trying to figure out a remedy for this, we may move to a similar licensing scheme as described which will require some development time or maybe have a "2 for 1 sale"
.Of all the single-user schemes I think I like the Messiah verison best. It's like a USB dongle, but using a standard (one of your own) USB memory stick.
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Sorry, but it isn't quite clear to me if Amorph is included when you buy PhotoScan?
They both seems to be able to make good models from photos.
I've been using Imagemodeler and Photomodeler for many years now, combined with SketchUp. Since Autodesk bought RealViz and removed Imagemodeler from open/single sales (need to buy Max or similar), and Photomodeler is not quite so good at modelling (and also quite pricey and with a very expensive licensing policy for us that don't live in USA/Canada - being forced to buy from local dealers with bloated prices), the availabilty of easy-to-use and affordable photogrammetry software is very limitied. That LockView tool looks very promising!
It looks like PhotoScan (Amorph) will do the job fine?
There's no calibrated cameras, but I hope that they take into account lens parameters/distortions?I'm downloading Amorph/Free and PhotoScan/Trial right now
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Yes Amorph is included in tgi3D Photoscan. Photoscan is a standalone piece of software that exports to .skp. In fact when you choose export, SU will open with your Photoscan calibrated images loaded as scenes. It Photomatch on steroids
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@unknownuser said:
Yes Amorph is included in tgi3D Photoscan. Photoscan is a standalone piece of software that exports to .skp. In fact when you choose export, SU will open with your Photoscan calibrated images loaded as scenes. It Photomatch on steroids
Thanks
Then I suppose that if you first buy Amorph and later want the full PhotoScan version then you could have those $150 deducted from the full price?
I asked support the same question, but they probably don't work at weekends (like the rest of us do
At the moment I cannot afford to spend $1000 on a tool that I currently don't really need, but Amorph I need/want right now..
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