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    • pilouP Offline
      pilou
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      Yes, a tragical lesson one more time! ๐Ÿ˜ž

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        PeterCharles
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        @unknownuser said:

        It was an absurdity to build over and near seismic fractures! ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

        In Japan do they have a choice other than not to build nuclear power stations?

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        • daleD Offline
          dale
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          @petercharles said:

          @unknownuser said:

          It was an absurdity to build over and near seismic fractures! ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

          In Japan do they have a choice other than not to build nuclear power stations?

          So this is a good analogy with all choices.
          They made the choice. These are the consequences.
          (Who are they? And why are they trusted with these choices? Who pays for their choices?)

          Just monkeying around....like Monsanto

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            tfdesign
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            We must take risks! Think of all the good that has already been done.

            Yes, this is a setback- and a big one too, but without risks, we will perish. I don't ever want to go there.

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              Someone said the other day that the deaths per kWh of electricity generation are minimal for nuclear power [even with Chernobyl] compared with hydroelectricity - where over the history of electricity generation the several 'burst dams' have killed many thousands !
              However, I still think I'd prefer to be killed immediately in a flood than maybe die some months [or years] later from a radiation induced cancer... ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
              BUT... actually I'd prefer not to die at all... or at least if I do die, to die at a time somewhat of my own choosing or action/inaction, and NOT at the whim of some grade-B engineer who fudged his calculations... ๐Ÿ˜’
              [I'm an expert too and I know how easy it is to convince yourself of your own infallibility - although I don't think anyone died from one of my Ruby scripts [YET!] [if so, see my lawyer!] ๐Ÿ˜• ] ๐Ÿค“

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                pilou
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                @unknownuser said:

                the deaths per kWh of electricity generation are minimal for nuclear power [even with Chernobyl] compared with hydroelectricity - where over the history of electricity generation the several 'burst dams' have killed many thousands !

                Yes : absolutly right!
                but ...what is the life of radioactive waste in years? ๐Ÿ˜’
                We give a wonderland to our children! ๐Ÿ˜ž
                Open your eyes! And mind! ๐Ÿค“

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                  tfdesign
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                  @unknownuser said:

                  Open your eyes! And mind! ๐Ÿค“

                  Sorry Pilou, I really don't mean or want to be or sound rude, but I think it is you who should 'open your eyes and mind'. ๐Ÿ˜„

                  TIG is right. More people have been killed by both hydroelectric power (and coal mining I should add) than nuclear ever has.
                  Yes, there is a problem with waste in many current reactors, but nuclear physicists have found ways around this problem
                  but this will need massive global investment (stop invading Iraq and other eastern countries for one! Billions were spent just trying to topple Saddam!). You have to remember the reactors in Japan are 40 years old, and the exclusion zones is only 12 miles
                  and has been set up as a precautionary measure. Despite what western media are so obsessed by, the actual 'problem' is still
                  not a patch on the same scale disaster as Chernobyl.

                  It's almost perverse that the western media are so obsessed by this, as the real killer has been the ocean. the 100% natural ocean.

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                    dale
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                    I don't know. To me there is still something terribly ironic about using plutonium to create steam to generate electricity in a plant located in an area destined for earthquakes that are more than likely to cause a Tsunami.
                    Then to sit back and almost nonchalantly discuss the "friendly fire" collateral damage, that is in fact human life.
                    This thread was started by Honolulu, who's daughter is hopefully back home safely by now.
                    Sorry for hijacking your thread Honolulu. ๐Ÿ˜ณ

                    Just monkeying around....like Monsanto

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                      tfdesign
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                      Yes I'm sorry too.

                      But I do think that there is an important debate here too ๐Ÿ˜„ Perhaps one that should be carried on in another thread?

                      The temperature in n.Japan is -5ยบc. I feel so sorry for the survivors left- it must be hell. I've already donated some money to the red cross.

                      My friend Richard says that the authorities are handling the situation very well, but basic supplies like milk and noodles are a little harder to find. The powercuts haven't happened yet- which is a good sign (the papers say the opposite!)

                      PS, Dale, you need to check out Thorium as an alternative to Uranium. Still in its infancy, it looks like it could have a really good future, as far as nuclear is concerned. ๐Ÿ˜„

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                      • pilouP Offline
                        pilou
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                        All go to the worst!
                        4 days losted with hiding the true!
                        There is only now copters for refresh reactors and swimming pool!
                        So nothing!
                        Are you blind?

                        Frenchy Pilou
                        Is beautiful that please without concept!
                        My Little site :)

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                          tfdesign
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                          Please Pilou, there is no call for rudeness. ๐Ÿ˜„

                          We should talk about this in a new thread (perhaps?).

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                            pilou
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                            Alas, it's to late for talk
                            I can just advice to my Tokyo Japan and French friends to try to escape themself if they can!

                            Frenchy Pilou
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                            My Little site :)

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                              tfdesign
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                              That's cool. It is very late here too.

                              I've started a new thread here;

                              http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=179&t=35874

                              so we can leave this thread in peace ๐Ÿ˜„

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                                honoluludesktop
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                                I was 16 at the time. My parents home (out of view) just survived on the debris line. No utilities for some time. This area, the Hilo Iron Works in the background, and further beyond was turned into a park.
                                http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2005/images/tsunami-hilo-hawaii-1960.jpg

                                By the time the current tsunami reached Hawaii, it was greatly reduced.
                                [flash=640,390:2ydkdqw6]http://www.youtube.com/v/91Wh0_yNJhc?version=3[/flash:2ydkdqw6]

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                                • honoluludesktopH Offline
                                  honoluludesktop
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                                  What a dilemma. If you live in Tokyo, and can leave Japan, many would consider it. The fact is, that at this time, there is not enough radiation in Tokyo to warrant leaving.

                                  What people want to know is, how near is safe, if the worst happens.

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                                  • pilouP Offline
                                    pilou
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                                    If the worst arrives best is go to under equateur line because winds are not very mixed between hemispheres!
                                    Does this possible for an half of the Earth, that is a big question!

                                    Frenchy Pilou
                                    Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                    My Little site :)

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                                    • Dave RD Offline
                                      Dave R
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                                      Before and After.

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                                      (THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE)

                                      G28 X0.0 Y0.0 Z0.0

                                      M30

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                                      • honoluludesktopH Offline
                                        honoluludesktop
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                                        The worst would be a meltdown in reactor 4; still not as bad as the US, and French atmospheric bomb test in the Pacific.

                                        Dave, that is graphic!!!!! Thanks for the link.

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                                          pilou
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                                          yes our ancesters were unthinking ๐Ÿ˜ข

                                          Frenchy Pilou
                                          Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                          My Little site :)

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                                            Alan Fraser
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                                            That third shot in Dave's link ...Fujitsuka in Sendai. Is the scene of that horrifying aerial shot of the tsunami racing across fields gobbling up poly-tunnels. They can be seen on the extreme left of the photo.
                                            If you check it out on Google Earth (it's just north of the airport) you can see the bridge approach ramp on which two truck drivers could be seen standing on top of their cabs. They had no choice...it's downhill in all directions. It was quite obvious from the outset that this was a disaster of biblical proportions.

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