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    thomthom
    last edited by 27 Jan 2011, 13:44

    Worked fine.

    Maybe you can post a small sample model to illustrate your problem? I don't know why it won't work for you.


    brickbump.png


    bumptest.skp

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      Missy_X
      last edited by 27 Jan 2011, 14:17

      @thomthom said:

      Worked fine.

      Maybe you can post a small sample model to illustrate your problem? I don't know why it won't work for you.

      Now i'm confused lol .. Your materials list looks completely different from mine.
      From what i've read in tutorials, i add my texture, then in the materials window, i select it, open "maps" on the right pane, check bump, click the "m", set it to "Texbitmap" scroll down, add the bump map location.

      But in your materials list, i see the bump map listed seperatly on the left, are u using vray 1.49.01 ?

      And it looks like it works now but not as i thought it would, i expected it to make the bricks pop out more, i just tried again and don't see much difference between a 5 and 20 multiplier.


      bump map test.skp

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        thomthom
        last edited by 27 Jan 2011, 14:28

        @missy_x said:

        Now i'm confused lol .. Your materials list looks completely different from mine.
        From what i've read in tutorials, i add my texture, then in the materials window, i select it, open "maps" on the right pane, check bump, click the "m", set it to "Texbitmap" scroll down, add the bump map location.

        Yes. That is correct.

        @missy_x said:

        But in your materials list, i see the bump map listed seperatly on the left, are u using vray 1.49.01 ?

        Yes. I just loaded the texture into the model to embed it so people downloading just the model would be have it. Not required at all.

        @missy_x said:

        but not as i thought it would, i expected it to make the bricks pop out more, i just tried again and don't see much difference between a 5 and 20 multiplier.

        Bump doesn't displace the geoemtry. The geometry stays flat. If you really need that great 3d effect then use displacement. But think about the scale you'll render in. If your brick texture will be seen at a distance, or rather: if you can't see the difference between a bump and a displacement from the point of view you render from then always go with bump. No point in zooming in while modelling and render a closeup test to get the displacement right if you won't see it in the final.

        Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
        List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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          Missy_X
          last edited by 27 Jan 2011, 15:10

          Hmmmm, but would a bump map be seen from such a distance in case of bricks ?

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            thomthom
            last edited by 27 Jan 2011, 15:18

            I often don't use brick displacement nor bump for exterior render as the camera is too far away to pick it up. If the distance the bump or displacement is suppose to represent becomes less that a pixel then there's no point in it.

            Do some quick test renders from your final camera position with just the brick geoemtry. See if you will be able to tell the difference.

            Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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              Missy_X
              last edited by 27 Jan 2011, 15:43

              I'm guessing the bump depends heavily on the lighting (or maybe cam angle ?) too, or so it seems from the last thing i've tried. The brick in the shades parts seem to pop out much more than the ones in the light. The again, on the far right wall, the bumps are clearly visible even in the light while on the closest right wall they're much less, is that because of the cam angle ?


              house bump reflection.jpg

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                thomthom
                last edited by 27 Jan 2011, 15:59

                @missy_x said:

                I'm guessing the bump depends heavily on the lighting (or maybe cam angle ?) too, or so it seems from the last thing i've tried. The brick in the shades parts seem to pop out much more than the ones in the light. The again, on the far right wall, the bumps are clearly visible even in the light while on the closest right wall they're much less, is that because of the cam angle ?

                Yes, the light and camera angle will impact the effect.
                Do you have a reference for the effect you want to achieve?

                Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                  Missy_X
                  last edited by 27 Jan 2011, 16:08

                  @thomthom said:

                  @missy_x said:

                  I'm guessing the bump depends heavily on the lighting (or maybe cam angle ?) too, or so it seems from the last thing i've tried. The brick in the shades parts seem to pop out much more than the ones in the light. The again, on the far right wall, the bumps are clearly visible even in the light while on the closest right wall they're much less, is that because of the cam angle ?

                  Yes, the light and camera angle will impact the effect.
                  Do you have a reference for the effect you want to achieve?

                  Would it be possible to get the effect from the closest left wall on the closest right wall without making the effect more on the closest left wall ?

                  And thank you for all the help btw πŸ˜„

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                    thomthom
                    last edited by 27 Jan 2011, 16:12

                    You're looking to create brick walls where there bricks sticks out significantly from the mortar? You might want to use displacement then - given the view you posted earlier. If you enable Ambient Occlusion you'll enhance the effect in the mortar grooves.

                    Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                    List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                      Missy_X
                      last edited by 27 Jan 2011, 17:26

                      @thomthom said:

                      You're looking to create brick walls where there bricks sticks out significantly from the mortar? You might want to use displacement then - given the view you posted earlier. If you enable Ambient Occlusion you'll enhance the effect in the mortar grooves.

                      I don't want the bricks to stick out that much really, but right now it looks like in one spot they stick out more than in the other spot. I'd like it to look the same.

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                        Turnbull2000
                        last edited by 30 Jan 2011, 21:07

                        @missy_x said:

                        @thomthom said:

                        You're looking to create brick walls where there bricks sticks out significantly from the mortar? You might want to use displacement then - given the view you posted earlier. If you enable Ambient Occlusion you'll enhance the effect in the mortar grooves.

                        I don't want the bricks to stick out that much really, but right now it looks like in one spot they stick out more than in the other spot. I'd like it to look the same.

                        Looking at that render, it seems the depth alternates due to indirect illumination on some walls but not others. So the differences are in fact accurate, and the shadow depth across all walls should not be identical.

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