Could this be the answer to our Energy Needs ?
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Quoting my fathere here:
@unknownuser said:
Well, the objective isn't really 100% free energy, counting the costs of building the machinery (including magnets and radio wave generators) and making it available to the consumer. The objective is to get more than 100% of the energy you put into a device back out of it, so that the USE cost (which includes maintenance and repair, but is different from the BUILD cost) is near zero. None of the magnetic devices have yet been shown to do this, to my satisfaction, in any of these videos.
As for the salt water bit, the inventor doesn't claim to get more than 100% energy output, but merely to have come up with a way to efficiently separate hydrogen & oxygen from water, so that they can be burned and produce SOME energy. Just HOW efficient the method is was not discussed in that news report. Merely passing electricity through ordinary tap water can be made to separate the two elements, as has been demonstrated in practically every science class for many decades. Radio waves can induce "eddy currents" in many materials, and I'm not surprised to see that happen in water that contains salt -- every science student knows that adding salt to distilled water will make it conduct electricity.
Calling this a source of "free" and "clean" fuel not only ignores the efficiency issue, which is crucial to the USE cost, but also the costs of collecting, handling and distributing this abundant seawater, costs of corrosion prevention and other maintenance issues, and the question of what happens to all that salt when the H2 and O2 are burned. The combustion result is pure water, some of which will condense and CAN be made to flow back to the original reservoir, but much of which will escape as steam. That leaves the original salt solution more concentrated, so there'll be a cleaning and restoration problem to add to the USE cost. These factors have been prohibitive in every other saltwater engine attempt I've seen to date.
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I've got a solution for separating salt water!
separate the two gases, use the hydrogen in hydrogen fuel cell cars, compress the oxygen into liquid oxygen for various uses (rocket fuel for instance) and collect the salt to sell as sea salt!
I think we should band together and start up this business guys! lol
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15 December 2009 - Dublin
Public demonstration started:http://www.youtube.com/user/steornofficial#p/u/0/9JikYfmEdF8
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Interesting idea, but as with many "miraculous devices" that are purported to be the future of clean energy, this one seems to fail. I've lost count of the number of inventions of this sort that never seem to make a good public demonstration, they all have "technical difficulties" that the purveyor/inventor blames on anything from excessive heat to sunspots.
I have never seen a device capable of thwarting conservation of energy rules.
I'll be suitably astounded if this device works as described, as will the world - but I'm not holding my breath.
BTW, all the vids linked in the original post are gone.
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The old saying "If it sounds too good to be true.... it probably is"
I'm still waiting for cold fusion and laser guns.
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@solo said:
I'm still waiting for cold fusion and laser guns.
I seem to remember that the commercially viable fusion reactor has been just some years away since the early 1970s...
Anssi
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@anssi said:
@solo said:
I'm still waiting for cold fusion and laser guns.
I seem to remember that the commercially viable fusion reactor has been just some years away since the early 1970s...
Anssi
You old pessimists... So many people has failed to deliver a working device that it make no sense to you to still believe in a breakthrough.
I am surprised that Orbos are being driven by such a big battery. If the device is recharging the battery, why didn't they use a decent capacitor instead?
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Who needs to be pessimistic when theres hard facts? http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0624/1224249416758.html
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You can't get something for nothing - it is a basic thermodynamic law... BUT you can move energy around to where you want it. Even Steorn fell into the trap of saying that their [now found to be flawed] gizmo 'broke the laws of the universe' !
It didn't need to for it to produce more energy out of itself than you put in... I know at first glance this seems oxymoronic BUT just think about things you see every day...
A fridge/aircon unit moves heat energy from one place to another - it's not magic. A heat-pump uses 1kW of electricity but outputs say 3kW of heat - where'd that extra 2kW come from? it wasn't 'made', it was simply moved from somewhere else and 'concentrated' to useful levels - e.g. low-grade heat in ground-water or outside-air is moved into your home as useful heat to keep you warm. This does not break any 'laws' of the universe as the total amount of energy remains unchanged - it's just in a different place - your home is quite a bit warmer and outside is a tiny bit colder - since there's a lot more 'outside' than there is 'inside' the affects on the 'global' outside temperature is barely measurable.
So what does this mean? Well, my point is that if you can do this with simple heat energy it must be theoretically possible to make a gizmo that gets low level energy from other sources - e.g. the flux of the earth's magnetic-field or the solar-winds etc and then makes it available to you in a concentrated local form that's useful... Since electro-magnetic and electrical fields pervade everything it must be possible to 'tap' into them and 'borrow' some of that energy - it'd not be 'making it', it'd just be moving it to where it's needed in a useful form...
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I think you are right TIG in what you say. 'Moving' should be the operative word not creating by means of magic!
I might pop up to Dublin a have a look at the machine in the new year! Check out this article 'Roll up, roll up to see the Irish perpetual motion machine!' http://www.gizmag.com/steorn-orbo-perpetual-motion-demonstration/13625/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=50d4d4bdbb-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email
Tomaz, yes, I wonder why a 'decent' (size) capacitor was not used at least for the ongoing running of the machine, maybe with a battery to kick it off.
Mike
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Like most start-ups and speculation, I think the important thing is to move money, not energy, from one location to another.
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Introduction to an Orbo Electromagnetic Interaction - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5nae_I_Mus -
@pbacot said:
Like most start-ups and speculation, I think the important thing is to move money, not energy, from one location to another.
ROFLMAO!
How true... from the pockets of gullible people to the off-shore bank accounts of con-men.
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original links in all first post are now defunct... adding weight to the conspiracy theories...
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@pbacot said:
Like most start-ups and speculation, I think the important thing is to move money, not energy, from one location to another.
+1
We got also a local "celebrancy" with free energy iniative... so far best he has done was moving some loose money to his own pockets. I prefer not to link to his ventures, but if you really want to find out, search for "utele theory".
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Came across 'New Japanese technology to solve world fuel crisis' recently at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fg0xeZSF0E Maybe worth looking at while having some beans on toast and a bottle of Coke
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Did make a quick google search with technology terms used in vid 'New Japanese technology to solve world fuel crisis' and got this http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=470664
Seriously hope that these cars have no 'gas' problems.(seems that there was a blurry hint in the image)
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An update. They have prepared a solid state version that has no moving parts.
YouTube - Testing of the Orbo Evaluation and Development Unit
by SteornOfficial[flash=480,385:imi65ah9]http://www.youtube.com/v/_HKTYrVjEGY?fs=1&hl=pl_PL[/flash:imi65ah9]
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