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    raduteo
    last edited by 15 Jan 2009, 17:56

    further along...
    attempting to round out the edges, trying different methods but with no success, wish I used the follow me tool like Paris said, the toughest part is if I manage to make the edges round how will I make it "flow" with the top part?

    http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3139/dfytqo2.jpg

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      creator 3d
      last edited by 15 Jan 2009, 18:43

      To start a project like this I would create 3 polygons with the exact size of the train and put them in the center of each other so that you get a cross. Put the texture you have form the side, top and front on each poly and align it wit the size of the poly.

      I would start first with the center part and like Gaieus said only model the half. Now you can create a shape and pull the parts bit by bit and adjust the size every time or create a line segment and copy this a couple of times along the body of the train, use the sandbox tool to connect the lines to create the center part of the train.

      Do the same with the nose, but be careful that you use the same amount of segments and that they connect at the same points. T vertices can’t be rendered.

      When finished the whole shape make it a group and mirror it, if you change one side the other will be updated as well.

      Good luck

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        plot-paris
        last edited by 16 Jan 2009, 09:33

        @unknownuser said:

        When finished the whole shape make it a group and mirror it, if you change one side the other will be updated as well.

        I guess you meant 'Component' (and sorry for being such a smart-arse) 😉

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          creator 3d
          last edited by 16 Jan 2009, 15:49

          I’m so sorry, yes I ment “Component”.

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            raduteo
            last edited by 16 Jan 2009, 17:14

            Everything was going good untill I reached the plow, it's very odd in shape and I can't get any working technique, if anyone can show me how please do so (with images if possible) and I'm prettymuch done with the locomotive (yay!).

            http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/70/plwcp8.jpg

            Current state:

            http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7791/sfeweqwcz4.jpg

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              cosycat
              last edited by 16 Jan 2009, 19:07

              This is set of images I put together as a demo for one of our students. It is not identical to the plough but I think you could probably apply the same sort of technique.
              The final part is done with Booltools but you could use 'intersect with model' if you don't have the plugin


              wing.skp

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                raduteo
                last edited by 16 Jan 2009, 19:16

                Thanks for the help cosycat, it's almost done:

                http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4329/93925940jz6.jpg

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                  raduteo
                  last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 14:47

                  The model is complete and ready to be textured but I made too many groups and componets, I want to delete all the groups/componets and make it one, how do I go on an do that, and "smoothen" the model as in less lines? Thanks.

                  http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2521/ultimaxqm6.jpg

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                    Gaieus
                    last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 14:51

                    The simple way is to right click > Explode (down to the level you want to do this).
                    However you may wish to keep some repetitive elements (like wheels for instance) components so you'll need to edit (i.e. texture) one only and all others inherit the changes.

                    Gai...

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                      raduteo
                      last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 15:04

                      How do I export the texture, as in save the texture so I can edit it in photoshop, I prefer to make the layout of the locmotive, save the texture and actually apply the colors (photo-texture to be exact) in photoshop, is that possible?

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                        Gaieus
                        last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 15:15

                        Probably (well, from examples I've seen obviously) it is possible although I'm not an experienced PS user.

                        Gai...

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                          raduteo
                          last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 15:30

                          I'm experienced with PS, so how does one export the texture?

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                            Gaieus
                            last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 15:37

                            But what texture if you only want to texture the model in PS? You can export a non-textured model and texture it in PS OR texture it in SU and eventually maybe tweak that texture in PS and reload it in SU (now it is even easier than before (works only on single faces); Right click the textured area > Texture > Edit texture image... and it will open PS (provided you set it at Window > Preferences > Applications) and whatever changes you make in PS,on saving, they will be immediately reloaded and reflected in SU.

                            Gai...

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                              raduteo
                              last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 15:44

                              Thank you, and how does one see the polycount of the models.. I see SU shows triangles, is it the same thing?

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                                Gaieus
                                last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 15:48

                                Window > Model info > Statistics. Triangulated surfaces are generally not good since they are the sign of non-planar geometry/modeling but surely even the least organic model (such as a locomotive) can have them easily. You can "rid" of them showing by smoothing your surfaces (select all > right click > Soften/smooth edges OR do it manually with the Ctrl+Eraser tool)

                                Gai...

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                                  raduteo
                                  last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 15:56

                                  I see alot of info but I'm not familiar with these statistics, which is the entire polycount of the model?

                                  http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/6388/sdfwqbg0.jpg

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                                    Gaieus
                                    last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 15:59

                                    Edges (and faces). In fact, edges AND faces would be fully correct (and in true relationship) only if everything were triangulated although a lot of faces could still share the same edges.

                                    So mostly edges.

                                    Gai...

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                                      raduteo
                                      last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 16:13

                                      How does one optimise the model besides soften edges, if possible?
                                      As my first model it has tiny gaps and such and I'm trying to prep it up for texturing, also about the groups, i have too many (over 200), just clicking expand will elimiante the group (but not the item that inside)? I wan to delete all groups and start regruping everything properly, how do I go on with the task? Thanks for having patience.

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                                        Gaieus
                                        last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 16:23

                                        After you exploded the outer "shell" group, there may be nested groups inside but everything is still selected. Just right click again and go on exploding until you are done with everything.

                                        I'm still not sure however that this is the best idea you can do with such a complex model. Once exploded, it will be hard to precisely select what you want to include into a group.

                                        You can always "heal" tiny gaps (within the same context - i.e. in a group or in the model if everything is exploded) by redrawing an edge of what's supposed to be a (coplanar) face. Intersection can also help al ot (I see that the two halves in your model do not precisely line up with each other).

                                        Gai...

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                                          Marian
                                          last edited by 18 Jan 2009, 16:36

                                          Nice, model..although i see you have some faces that need to be reversed(the blue ones), otherwise it could creat problems with renders and such..and also a nice clean model is better:P
                                          For a beginner you did well, so congratulions are order...
                                          Food fo though, as you got right the basic shape...you could start modelling the details rather than putting texture, or you could do both.
                                          Cheers, happy sketching.

                                          http://marian87.deviantart.com/

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