[Plugin] Selection Toys

thomthom · 8 Jan 2009, 12:03

Hello:
New to the forum. Had to join when I found this tool.
Saves me a ton of time. Thanks for the plug-in.

I was however wondering if there is a plug-in that
once you have selected a bunch of polygon's that you
could evenly subtract or add to your selection by using
the "plus" and "minus" keys. I'll try to elaborate a bit.
Say you have a a rectangle evenly divided into five
sections you select the end polygon and you can then press
the "plus" key and it will select the polygon's next to it.
Then you can press the "minus" key to subtract. this would
work the same as if you used the "select/connection faces"
in the right click menu, but sadly there is no subtracting.
The reason for this request is = if you have allot of
polygons selected, and you move the selection and you want
to subtract a row of polygon, you have to unselect all,
reselect one row less and make change and repeat each time.

Unless I'm missing something that pre-exists in SU
already, this would be great.

This is one of the things I'd like to add. I have a few more ideas for selection tools that are a bit more interactive allowing the user to play around with the selection.

kwistenbiebel · 8 Jan 2009, 12:17

@Kyprus and ThomTom:
Actually that is how you do it in the Maxwell Studio.
I don't find it the best way though.

The way Cinema4D does it, is much handier:
You just hover above the geometry while holding the left mouse button.
Every polygon your hovering mouse touches will get selected. Holding shift adds to the selection and Holding CTRL will substract from the selection.
It's a perfect tool which is called 'Soft selection Tool' in modelers lingo.

You can use it to select polygons, lines or points.(before you do the soft selection you click polygon mode, edges mode or vertices mode).
Works like a charm...

It is quite strange that no one thought of making a ruby like this for Sketchup.
Especially when you know that Fredo6 uses parts of that principle in his Surface Tools plugin.

By the way: @ThomTom: Very nice Plugin you made there
Thanks for that.

thomthom · 8 Jan 2009, 12:42

To me soft selection is a different matter. I used 3DS Max previously and if you do a soft selection it's like you select with a soft feathered brush. vertexes at the far edge of the selection is affected less when you do modification such as move or rotate on the selection.

I'd very much like to hear different ideas of doing selections.

One of the things I'd like to make is that after you have make your 'master selection' you can use modifier keys to toggle between edges, faces.
I think what would be useful is a set of selection tools which when you activate them you can choose if they add to or subtract from your existing selection.

Kyprus · 8 Jan 2009, 17:21

kwistenbiebel: Not sure I'm to keen on that type of selection.
Primarily due to the fact that there is allot of screen-play
to get to some of the polygon that are not in view. I still
believe that just hitting the "plus" or "minus" keys would
quicken the procedure.

I'm not really new to this idea, I can't even take credit. The
conceptual idea I got it from was Wings3D. "In my opinion", Wings3D
is the most easiest 3D software ever made. I used it for years.
but unfortunately it doesn't have one thing I do like, the means
to use metric or feet. It's based on a numerical choice = if 2.0
is two inches or if 20.0 is two inches, so be it. Then no matter
what you have decided taking it into another software, (such as
SU), you still have to re-size. So, I use SU to do most, if not all
of my Mesh work now.

As for some of the selection ideas:
I think I may have a list to assist. Yet, I warn you that
I would be compiling this list from what I have used in
Wings3D for it's simplicity.

Edge Loop: Selecting only the vertices's in a loop.

Similar: Selecting only the polygon with the same dimensions.

Edge Loop Region: Selecting the vertices's and highlighting the
polygon(s) that are on one end from this loop selection.

Invert Selection: (Speaks for itself but I will elaborate).
Say, you have a square with only one polygon selected, but
you want the others selected instead.

There are many others I could list, (but) I don't want to over
do it. Sadly, I could only direct you to view Wings3D for
additional tools, (Its free) >lol<

Thank you for your responce. And again, thank you very
much for the additional tool/plugin.

thomthom · 8 Jan 2009, 17:37

Haven't tried Wings3D. But I'm always up to try new tools.

I've had some play around with the trial of Modo and I like some of the selection tools present there.

Kyprus · 8 Jan 2009, 18:05

Yeah Modo looks sweet, kinda' reminded me of Blender,
you know the one you have to be a micro physicist.

I will/can say, Wings3D doesn't do all that. It's just
a simple modeler/mesh manipulator.

I presently use Strata for rendering. Although, I
haven't had to do much rendering of late.

SU has definitely made things easier for me, I thought
I was going to be stuck with Wings, until I stumbled
across SU.

Kyprus · 9 Jan 2009, 01:09

ThomThom: I downloaded the update on your "selection toys".
After a while my right click selection tools grey out and
I cannot select anything. Never had this problem so I took out
the plug-in and things worked fine.

This might be a conflicting with another plug-in I have
but the version I had before didn't cause this problem.
Not sure which version it was. might be simple to add the
version # to the .rb when you update.

Not sure if anyone else is having this issue.
Thought you would like to know.

thomthom · 9 Jan 2009, 07:21

HM.. that's odd. I'm not actually sure you you mean either when you say "right click selection tools grey out".
You get no right-click menu?

thomthom · 9 Jan 2009, 07:29

By the way Kyprus: if you have the Ruby Console open and that thing happen, do you get messages then?

Kyprus · 9 Jan 2009, 08:07

I get a right click menu but most of it greys out when
I know they should be there.

Yes, I have a ruby console. Not sure why. I haven't had
the time nor patience to figure it all out. I'll place
the plug-in back in the proper directory and see if there
is anything in the console.

I did have to use the plug-in. so, I placed it back
into the plugins directory, I forgot about it and it
happened again. but once I deleted it out of the directory
re-started SU all was fine. This doesn't happen right away.
it takes time for it to arise. but, it has happen twice
but solved when I delete the .rb . (this was earlier today/
last night).

But I will see if anything is in the console next time.

thomthom · 9 Jan 2009, 08:26

Please let me know if you get any messages in the console. I've not yet seen that behaviour. As you say, it could be conflicting with another plugin which I might not have installed.

Also, could you take a screenshot when it happens?

thomthom · 12 Jan 2009, 12:05

@kyprus said:

I get a right click menu but most of it greys out when
I know they should be there.

I just experience this myself now. That'll make it easier for me to track down what's going on.

thomthom · 12 Jan 2009, 13:19

I believe I might have sorted out the disabled menu problem.
Would you mind testing the plugin for me to see if it's sorted for sure? Send me a PM with your email.

Kyprus · 12 Jan 2009, 21:06

thomthom: Apologies for not getting that screenshot to you.
I just haven't had the time.

I downloaded the the new version I'll put it in today
and give it a run. Thank you.

My email is kyprusplacid [at] g.mail dot com . I have gtalk.
so, once you send me an email you will be on my IM.
we can talk then, if you have gtalk.

thomthom · 12 Jan 2009, 21:26

email sent

Kyprus · 12 Jan 2009, 21:27

This is the screenshot of the app., with the grey-out
on the right-click tools.

http://picasa***.google.com/kyprusplacid/SU?authkey=yW_XtO3TIMw&feat=directlink

There was nothing in the Ruby console.
Not sure if I'm suppose to type something
in there or not to get feedback. Nore
would I know what to type.

Guess this isn't much help.
this is with the new update by the way.

thomthom · 12 Jan 2009, 21:29

No worries. I saw it myself when I used the plugin quite a bit. I did some changes and after that it appeared to be gone. That's what I'll be sending you tomorrow.

thomthom · 14 Jan 2009, 21:34

Updated with some important bug fixes to prevent bugsplats.
A couple of extra select variations added.

thomthom · 17 Feb 2009, 12:02

By request http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=16665, added filters for entities with Default material.

dazza · 17 Feb 2009, 12:18

Cool, thanks Thomas!