Religion anyone?
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The model of the constantly changing age put on the Earth by reputable scientists isn't really a valid criticism. All scientist accept the fact that theories will be upgraded or overturned at some point. Nevertheless you have to go on what is best knowledge at the time.
Once upon a time we used to subject people to Trial by Ordeal, or measured the bumps on their head to determine their guilt or innocence. Now we use forensics. You might just as well make the argument that forensics are going to be superceed by something better someday, therefore we shouldn't pay too much attention to them and empty the prisons. Great news if you're doing Life for mass murder.
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well, than it was probably just me, misunderstanding some posts to take these facts for absolutely hard and fast.
because how you said it, its my understanding of science; a truth we agree to believe until proved otherwise.by the way. all this "taking the Bible literally" is nonsense as far as I am concerned. I think the Bible is simply a collection of stories that transport a message of how we should behave and treat our fellow citizens...
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@unknownuser said:
Alan,
Regarding “radimetric dating”, you can start w/ an easy article like this:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c007.htmlI wrote that latin expression is “orbe terrarum” and it wasn’t correct translated in English, as 'simple' spheroid...!
Cornel
Cornel - thanks for the link. Did some more digging on that website. http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/menu-fossils.html "Man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. There was never a time when dinosaurs ruled the earth. From the very beginning of creation, God gave man dominion over all that was made, even over the dinosaurs"
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Okay this is geting a little stale, we are going in circles. So lets enjoy some George Carlin, here is his 10 commandments revised.
some explicit language
[flash=425,355:36u7xksg]http://www.youtube.com/v/SyWEBbFwU1o&feature=related[/flash:36u7xksg]
My fav part is at end when he adds a commandment ... totally agree with that one.
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Very good Solo, especially his last commandment; Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.
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allways a pleasure to watch this clip again. thanks, solo.
(btw. could you please post the film Dogma? great piece of cinema and I love the way it approaches and interprets christian religion)
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Carlin was a genious....I could listen to his stuff for hours.
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Was he a genious or a genius?
Pete, regarding your earlier video, there are a few items that jump
out. One is the rearranging of the letters in the name Horus to
make hours or Horus has risen. Egyptians did not use the alphabet as we
know it. Furthermore, a study of the etymology of the word horizon
does not reveal an Egyptian source.A second curiosity is the use of the date December 25th. This
statement implies a uniformity of the calendar across all of the
cultures that I think is inaccurate.It sounds very intelligent, but I am skeptical of the information.
Christians do have to concede that the early church did occasionally
absorb many pagan rites and worship days when it reached a people group
unfamiliar with the Christian faith. These rites were sometimes
reinterpreted as Christian symbols to help the people to understand the
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Thanks for your response Eric, and yes I agree the commentry is biased to make a point and there probably are many exagerations.
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Also, in regards to the video, I don't recall reading anywhere that the Egyptian god Horus was crucified (I read a lot on ancient Egypt when a youngun - considered being an Egypologist); in fact, ancient Egyptians didn't even practice crucifiction. Horus was a "triumphant" war god, having beaten the god Set in battle, and becoming the god of the sky. Nor was he born from a virgin - his mother was the goddess Isis, his father her husband Osiris. I don't know much about the other gods mentioned in the film, but given the blatant "mistakes" on the first one, I can't put too much faith in what he says about the others.
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There are two theories, one being that he was crucified between two thieves like jesus and the other bieng stung by a scorpion, however most writtings seem to support the crucifixion story.
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Solo, where are you getting your information on Horus? No where in Egyptian mythology is Horus crucified - in fact, he doesn't even die.
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Crucifixion was a specific method of romans…
See one of Isaiah prophetic verse (re. The Lord):
“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised(on the cross) for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.”Cornel
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Crucifixion was practiced by the Persians, Seleucids, Carthaginians, and Romans. Ancient Egyptians employed impalement, which some scholars luimp in with crucifixion.
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God prefers atheists :
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Kwistenbiebel,
God has no preference (for atheists):
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
(2 Peter 3:9)Cornel
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@kwistenbiebel said:
@rickw said:
I'd have to say that, given the evidence, Christianity is less evil/dangerous than atheism.
Why do a lot of religious people categorise those who don't believe as 'atheists'?
As if you get an automatic subscription to the atheist club when you don't recognise a god.In history, a war never was started by a group called 'the atheists'.
You're joking, right? "a-" = no, none, without; "theos" = god; "-ist" = person professing a belief system. So, yes, by the definition of the word, one who believes there is no god is an atheist. The membership cards are in the mail.
And has already been mentioned, the Communists in Russia, who were staunchly atheistic, killed over 20 million people in the past century. In the US, they were frequently referred to as "the godless Communists", which is the same as using the word "atheistic". In history, wars have been started by groups consisting of atheists. The word "atheist" in the group's name is unnecessary. Their ideology included atheism, and that is what they killed to spread - similar to how Islam was originally spread (and still is, in some places). In contrast, Christianity was not originally spread by violence (nor was it intended to be), but in the face of it.
@unknownuser said:
...it still takes a brave man to look past the ancient hyperbolas and stand on the side of reality.
I guess I'm not there yet. I can't even get past the ancient parabolas...
@alan fraser said:
With respect, Rick. Much of that argument is specious.
Really? I don't remember mentioning species in my post...
(read on)@remus said:
Talk about dodgy numbers! Your assuming that their was a constant change in the age of the earth (the theorised ages, that is) which is wrong.
Apparently my LOL smiley & channel-surfer joke didn't do their job of injecting the intended humorous tone into my post.
The point was that science can only offer its best guess. In 10 years, that best guess may be different still. In which case, we still won't know for sure, so why be dogmatic about 4.6 billion years now? -
@rickw said:
In contrast, Christianity was not originally spread by violence (nor was it intended to be), but in the face of it.
No, not originally. But it got up to speed later on. That said, being a cause of violence is not a unique trait of christianity. Any old ideology is quite enough reason for some of us to get the clubs out. Sadly, we are a moronic and violent bunch, at times.
While an atheist, I feel the need to point out that the various religions we've come up with so far have given us some cool sh*t as well - Bach, anyone? Michelangelo? Religion, though I personally find it weird, isn't all bad.
The current entanglement of religion and politics worries me, though. That's an explosive combination right there. I'm fairly certain that's something both the atheists and (the largest part of) the God Squad can agree on. Furthermore, I believe that it is exactly this entanglement that's got atheists screaming bloody murder these days. Under more normal (or at least: desirable) circumstances most of us godless types would just go: "Worship away, old chap. Beer?"
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clapping smilie
Well said, sentiment shared.
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