I Believe (to address the complaints of last week)
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@unknownuser said:
I know them, and true dangerous face of Ecumenism or Liberal Theology…
How about you, Tom?!!
CornelI promote nothing here, so quite contrary to the groups you mention, I am wishing nothing as well: the simple fact is all three of the religions I mentioned worship the same God of the same Abraham. If you are reading from yet another Bible re-written (to suit your kinds current purposes...?) then again I see we have nothing to discuss.
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Alan, Maybe we exist as a proxy to circumvent this Catch 22, here is an interesting essay
http://www.jewishbohemian.com/essaypages/speechatom.htmnow Cornel, be truthful, you know them ?
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@unknownuser said:
Yes, Andy, there ARE NOT!
Read, please , the entire Bible and you WILL BE CONVINCED!
CornelMake you a deal Cornel: I'll read the bible, you read Darwin, Sagan and Dawkins, and we'll reconvene in a couple of months.
Except that would be pointless.
Because whilst I could approach the bible with an open but critical mind, you are clearly not capable of reciprocating. Which is a great pity.
A.
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Time out from religion; just Carl Sagan, telling it the way it is.
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Thanks Alan, that was very nice indeed.
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Andy,
I did read already Darwin, Dawkins, Sagan, and so on…, and now it’s easy for me to compare them. My difficulty is ‘English Composition’, because English is my 4th language, not the 1st or the 2nd one…Tom,
I’m not a descendent of Abraham…!
You are right that Abraham is a comun ‘element’ in some God’s names, but Islam has a “God of Ismael’ and (for example) Juda has a “God of Isaac”, they are not “one and the same” (diff. names, character, attributes, etc.).Juda’s God is a 3 Person God [The Father, The Son (Messiah) and The Holly Spirit]
What is the name of Son of Allah? (do you know that?!)Cornel
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Ismael was son of Avraham, same as Isaac.
to the branch of Isaac comes the Torah, the message for the Jews.
to the branch of Ismael comes the Corán, the message for the Arabs.
Jesus gives the message of the Gospel for everyone.
Jews dont follow Him. Roman Catholic Christian Church try to grasp His message with no luck to be honest.
then, in the 600 year comes Mahoma and reveals the last message.
All go in the same direction : there is a message from YHVH to be known.
yes, lets talk about those videos
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Yes, J.V.S.,
You are right about PEOPLE: Jews and Arabs.About religion:
Cornel
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@juanv.soler said:
Ismael was son of Avraham, same as Isaac.
to the branch of Isaac comes the Torah, the message for the jews.
to the branch of Ismael comes the Corán, the message for the arabs.(Juan, you slipped an edit in on me :`)
And from the Jews come the Christians...right?!? Otherwise why include the Old Testament in the Christian Bible?
Cornel, surely you understand the scriptures refered to in your quotes from the New Testament were written first in the Old Testament; understand that until after his death Jesus was received as a new prophet with a new interpretation of the old Word!?!
I'm starting to wonder about you, Cornel...?
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Tom,
Jesus Christ (The Messiah) is The Son of God, is part (not a 'fragment', but a Person) of The Thrinity!
Jesus is The God!
Now, you can "start to wonder" about me!
Cornel
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Alan, WOW! Thanks a bunch for that...out now to all I know.
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Cornel, I'm tired of your bait and switch...I'm going to go home now and have some ice cream.
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There you go again, Alan.
Providing accurate historical data showing the contradictions, absurdity, plagiarism
and plain nonesense propagated by the adherents of religion.
And will you receive a sensible rebuttal of any kind?
Nope! Most likely you will just receive another quote from one of their holy books.Regards
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Yes, but it's fun though.
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Alan,
I have inclusive those “historical data” and different comments about them…Alan wrote: “The Trinity is entirely a human invention…”
The TRINITY is remarked even in the first chaptre of the Bible (I’m sorry for you, Alan!)!:
“And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” (Genesis 1:26)The word “OUR” is plural, isn’t it?!!
Cornel
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so we are three
the us you mention
no?
how good from us to have understood finally YHVH** divinity
now, Cornel,
that is not fair
is it ?
how can *YHVH**divide ?
*YHVH is just superior to us
that is why is ***YHVH
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I LIKE very much Dawkins talk about atheism
first time to meet him.
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@unknownuser said:
Alan,
I have inclusive those “historical data” and different comments about them…Alan wrote: “The Trinity is entirely a human invention…”
The TRINITY is remarked even in the first chaptre of the Bible (I’m sorry for you, Alan!)!:
“And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” (Genesis 1:26)The word “OUR” is plural, isn’t it?!!
Cornel
You must understand the older English use of the 'plural' as the 'singular' when applied to 'the powers that be'. The monarch (king/queen) of England might still say, "We are not amused" - when meaning "I am not amused". Therefore long ago when translating 'what God said' it'd seem very appropriate to say 'We' and 'Us' when God is saying things about himself rather than 'I' and 'me' - when you are omnipotent you are at the same time 'one' and 'all' - by definition.The Trinity IS a human invention - it was invented to get over the logical problem that arises when you all agree that you have ONE God but 'he' is seeming split into two OR three parts... So 'three-in-one' make it OK[ish]...
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Just read: "The Hebrew word for God: 'elohim' is a plural noun...it can be used in grammatical agreement with both singular verbs and plural pronouns. Thus the confusion in Genesis and the split in the church Alan mentioned. (Of course, Cornel will soon tell us he is not confused at all by this :`)
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