I Believe (to address the complaints of last week)

solo · 27 Aug 2008, 19:38

Trying not to get involved in this debate as I have work to do, however Cornel I need to ask, what’s the point in quoting from the bible if indeed the whole validity of that book is the debate?

tomsdesk · 27 Aug 2008, 19:50

Cornel, if you don't understand the God of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are one and the same...then you have little understanding of your own Bible: thus there is no sense to discussing It with you (and little meaning in your quoting from It).

JuanV.Soler · 27 Aug 2008, 20:17

now is your turn Jimmy,
Cornel has not beaten us yet

goon of doom · 27 Aug 2008, 21:42

@juanv.soler said:

now is your turn Jimmy,
Cornel has not beaten us yet

Here is a quote that comes to mind.

Cool hand Luke. "Some men you just cant reach" What we have here is a failure to communicate"

I will not battle this guy. He is a complete waste of time. for the simple reason that he refuses to acknowledge validity in a alternate point of view. He has closed his mind to logic. In any sane view. if you want to discredit his beliefs ask him how old the Earth is? The answer is only seen as re-f-ing-diculous. What he holds up as some form of proof makes less than z sense to anyone who firmly and correctly for them sees otherwise. Their are many ungodly traits in us humans but the one that applies most to this guy are judgemental, and closed minded. All ugly and to be avoided.

I recall a post from the original SU Forum where their was a topic line along similar line where a member John Sayers posted some thing written by "The night watchmen" Fantastic stuff! John would speak and all cornel could do was post some gobbly gook that John would serve right back to him as a testament to his nievete' (sp.) Sayers sliced and diced this guy. The fact is he is a whack job of the sort that are best found in Waco, Jonestown, or a branch Dividian waiting on some cosmic commit to deliver us from our sins. In short he is a scary sort. If anyone is familiar with a mental disorder called Skizoid (sp.) I think this would be a profile of his type? In short he has no clue that everyone around him is A. A skizoid also or B. Convinced that he is nut. Every one but him that is. He is convinced that he is completely healthy and rational.

Where in the bible does it speak of the concept of. Let it be? (JL 196.8)

My God cares nothing of converts, Dirty Laundry, or consequence.
He is not short on cash.
And we nothing like him. Yet that is. But we should all try to aspire to godlyness in our every day life. It really is all about me.

Stay well
GoD

remus · 27 Aug 2008, 21:45

Can we quote you, GoD, in reply to cornel?

JuanV.Soler · 27 Aug 2008, 21:47

thanks
but i would not consider the squizoidic path, a wrong way,
in any case
just in case
good..........
we can now carry on altogether again

(Jimmy, you got a problem with your signature, i´m afraid
.see you, good night.

cornel · 27 Aug 2008, 22:39

Solo,

Re. yours “…what’s the point in quoting from the bible if indeed the whole validity of that book is the debate?”:
That Book is “the debate” for those who didn’t know it.

"The point in quoting from the Bible" is this:
“… if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” (John 12:47-48)

or that:
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” (John 5:24)

Cornel

remus · 27 Aug 2008, 22:43

"Do I hear an echo?" GoD tue aug 12th

cornel · 27 Aug 2008, 22:59

Tomsdesk wrote:
“Cornel, if you don't understand the God of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are one and the same...then you have little understanding of your own Bible”

I know them, and true dangerous face of Ecumenism or Liberal Theology…
How about you, Tom?!!

Cornel

tomsdesk · 28 Aug 2008, 03:25

@unknownuser said:

I know them, and true dangerous face of Ecumenism or Liberal Theology…
How about you, Tom?!! Cornel

I promote nothing here, so quite contrary to the groups you mention, I am wishing nothing as well: the simple fact is all three of the religions I mentioned worship the same God of the same Abraham. If you are reading from yet another Bible re-written (to suit your kinds current purposes...?) then again I see we have nothing to discuss.

JuanV.Soler · 28 Aug 2008, 06:36

Alan, Maybe we exist as a proxy to circumvent this Catch 22, here is an interesting essay
http://www.jewishbohemian.com/essaypages/speechatom.htm

now Cornel, be truthful, you know them ?
come on

andyc · 28 Aug 2008, 07:03

@unknownuser said:

Yes, Andy, there ARE NOT!
Read, please , the entire Bible and you WILL BE CONVINCED!
Cornel

Make you a deal Cornel: I'll read the bible, you read Darwin, Sagan and Dawkins, and we'll reconvene in a couple of months.

Except that would be pointless.

Because whilst I could approach the bible with an open but critical mind, you are clearly not capable of reciprocating. Which is a great pity.

A.

Alan Fraser · 28 Aug 2008, 07:33

Time out from religion; just Carl Sagan, telling it the way it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pfwY2TNehw&feature=related

pmiller · 28 Aug 2008, 13:04

Thanks Alan, that was very nice indeed.

solo · 28 Aug 2008, 13:23

cornel · 28 Aug 2008, 13:32

Andy,
I did read already Darwin, Dawkins, Sagan, and so on…, and now it’s easy for me to compare them. My difficulty is ‘English Composition’, because English is my 4th language, not the 1st or the 2nd one…

Tom,
I’m not a descendent of Abraham…!
You are right that Abraham is a comun ‘element’ in some God’s names, but Islam has a “God of Ismael’ and (for example) Juda has a “God of Isaac”, they are not “one and the same” (diff. names, character, attributes, etc.).

Juda’s God is a 3 Person God [The Father, The Son (Messiah) and The Holly Spirit]
What is the name of Son of Allah? (do you know that?!)

Cornel

JuanV.Soler · 28 Aug 2008, 13:51

Ismael was son of Avraham, same as Isaac.
to the branch of Isaac comes the Torah, the message for the Jews.
to the branch of Ismael comes the Corán, the message for the Arabs.
Jesus gives the message of the Gospel for everyone.
Jews dont follow Him. Roman Catholic Christian Church try to grasp His message with no luck to be honest.
then, in the 600 year comes Mahoma and reveals the last message.

All go in the same direction : there is a message from YHVH to be known.

yes, lets talk about those videos

cornel · 28 Aug 2008, 14:13

Yes, J.V.S.,
You are right about PEOPLE: Jews and Arabs.

About religion:

Cornel

tomsdesk · 28 Aug 2008, 14:23

@juanv.soler said:

Ismael was son of Avraham, same as Isaac.
to the branch of Isaac comes the Torah, the message for the jews.
to the branch of Ismael comes the Corán, the message for the arabs.

(Juan, you slipped an edit in on me :`)

And from the Jews come the Christians...right?!? Otherwise why include the Old Testament in the Christian Bible?

Cornel, surely you understand the scriptures refered to in your quotes from the New Testament were written first in the Old Testament; understand that until after his death Jesus was received as a new prophet with a new interpretation of the old Word!?!

I'm starting to wonder about you, Cornel...?

cornel · 28 Aug 2008, 14:39

Tom,

Jesus Christ (The Messiah) is The Son of God, is part (not a 'fragment', but a Person) of The Thrinity!
Jesus is The God!

Now, you can "start to wonder" about me!

Cornel