SketchUp and Rubies on Linux (yes, it works)
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If other people don't have a problem with the view not refreshing from some things, then it's probley your video drivers... which is likely considering the shape the nvidia and ati drivers for linux are in atm.
However, this might be easily fixable. It sounds to me like it just doesn't refresh in some places where it should, and so you get no change until an action forces a refresh. It's unlikely that the operation is actually waiting, although I guess this could be possible if the events are somehow getting sent to sketchup late... but I don't think this is it.
So, we just need to try to force the view to refresh. Maybe one or a few of the observer classes can watch for changes, and invalidate the view? As a last resort we could launch a non-modal web dialog thing and have a javascript timeout that invalidates the view... but I think this would mean that we couldn't use another script with web-dialogs... right? (Haven't used one in my scripts yet, and haven't used anyone elses scripts either... but I assume that you can only have one running at a time?)
I might attempt to install via wine tonight, as I actually just reinstalled windows on a 10 gig drive a few weeks ago for sketchup... it's the only thing I boot windows for. (Well and starcraft... but if I can run sketchup under wine, I'll bite the bullet and run starcraft in wine also.)
[Edit] Also it could be wine in combination with a driver... anyway, we need to report it to wine and if it's not their problem, report it to your video driver people.
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Another data point.
I understand that the SU install works for some NVidia graphics cards, but not for others?Anyway, I thought I'd give it a go. I run SU on a WinXp laptop that's in hospital.
My other system is a Shuttle m/b with integrated/on-board Intel graphics chip (82865G Integrated Graphics Controller), Mandriva 2008.1, & Samsung 940bw monitor at 1440 x 900 - 24bpp.
X driver (Intel 810 and above),
Wine 1.1.2. I haven done any MS registration tho'.SU Pro (licensed) installs successfully after making the registry changes and Gecko.
Icon appears on desktop. Launches fine EXCEPT the window is black - menus are fine and appear to work. If I draw lines/rectangles (even though I can't see them) SU appears to have done them, as it then wants to save on exit. So it appears to be a screen drawing problem?
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That's the integrated graphics controller, I'm afraid. Bad or no OpenGL implementation on Linux. Sorry...it's the same result I get on an ATI graphics card on a Dell XPS notebook. But NVidia 7 and 8 series GeForces seem to work pretty well with this and later versions of WINE.
Sci,
@unknownuser said:
So, we just need to try to force the view to refresh. Maybe one or a few of the observer classes can watch for changes, and invalidate the view? As a last resort we could launch a non-modal web dialog thing and have a javascript timeout that invalidates the view... but I think this would mean that we couldn't use another script with web-dialogs... right? (Haven't used one in my scripts yet, and haven't used anyone elses scripts either... but I assume that you can only have one running at a time?)
Do I understand you...you are proposing a ruby script for forcing a redraw, called every few seconds or automatically at the end of certain commands? I suppose first step would be to know exactly what events are not followed by refreshes, and then find the classes that observe them.
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Yep, exactly, it's hacky... but desperate times
That would be good, I have alot to do this weekend, so I haven't installed it on my linux drive yet... but I don't expect to have the same problem, having a radeon. We'll see...
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I have yet to be able to get SU to work on WINE with a Radeon at all...it rarely even works well on Windows, after all, with ATI cards, and the tech support people in Boulder will confirm that. Please let me know if you figure it out.
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OK - have it working with my 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller. In the WINE forums, there was a suggestion that there was an issue with the Intel and ATI OpenGL drivers under DRI and that turning it off would work.
Requires a mod to the xorg.conf file - add the following line under theSection "Device"
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Option "DRI" "False"
EndSectionAnd I now have a non-black screen, and visible drawings. Not tested comprehensively, but will report back.
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Mozzie, I'll have to try that as well on the Dell notebook...could you provide a link to the relevant WINE forum threads? Thanks.
EDIT: It worked! ...on a Dell Inspiron XPS P4 3.40 GHz with some nameless ATI Radeon with 256 MB VRam, about four years old. There is a strange white box around the cursor, but otherwise SU looks normal...I won't have a chance to test this with real drawings for a few days, though. (Incidentally, this computer had bad ATI/OpenGL issues running SU on Windows...I've always considered it a piece of junk.)
The toolbar problem seems to be caused by allowing the Window Manager "to control the window" in the Configure WINE control panel. However, unchecking the option can cause worse issues...on my systems, it seems that toolbars that are not docked or pallet windows (like Materials) that were open prior to the WINE configuration change will vanish until the desktop manager is allowed to manage SU again.
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You probably don't need it now ... but here's the WineHQ reference.
It's the second item in the list, the heading is "Black Screen".
WineHQ - Comments
Open Source Software for running Windows applications on other operating systems.
(appdb.winehq.org)
The interesting comment there is the last item in the black screen thread.
@unknownuser said:
RE: Black Screen
by Alexander Sabourenkov on Thursday August 7th 2008, 1:21
Ok.I'll try to track down the source of the problem. Seems likely that it is something missing from both intel and ati open source drivers, but present in non-accelerated driver and proprietary ones (nvidia at least).
I did a little testing. I don't have the white box problem (cursor looks normal).
Onscreen operations seem Ok, but horribly slow (to be expected) as the hardware acceleration is compromised.
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Thanks, Mozzie. I also could not export to PNG on the old Dell notebook, although JPG worked well. And of course, I lost functionality on other native apps that depended on DRI, like certain screensavers and some of the eyecandy on the Amarok music player.
In the end, it's not worth doing on this particular aging notebook computer...with a fairly big model (which will run just fine on WINE on a computer with an 8-series GeForce), turning on textures and shadows in SU nearly froze the system. And even once I managed to force SU/WINE to quit, the computer was hopelessly sluggish until I restarted it. Oh well. I'm sure on a more modern system with ATI or integrated graphics this will be of great value. But it seems like the NVidia cards are still the best bet for a system to run SU on Wine on Linux without too much functionality loss, assuming one has the option...at least until the poster you quote tracks down the problem.
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OK, I was playing around a bit this week and I DO get the display delay thing- specifically, if I reverse a face, it doesn't display as reversed until I try another operation. I'm using an nVidia 6200 with the proprietary drivers that Ubuntu 7.04 installs.
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Hi,
I have managed to start SU Free on SuSE 11.0 with Wine 1.1.4.
I've got GeForce 6200. It works fine, almost as fast as on Windows
but.. every time I minimize SU window and then open it back I get BugSplat..SU(Wine) also doesn't refresh the view after selecting a scene. I have to click on the screen to see it changed.
I was really surprised to see SU widow on Linux and to rotate quite complicated models without a problem!
Tomasz
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have you followed all the steps explained in this tutorial, particularly adapt ruby scripts for unix systems with tofrodos tools and the command dos2unix in correct directories where scripts are?
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If you mention tutorial below... I haven't spotted it.
http://www.wine-reviews.net/applications/google-sketchup-6-on-linux-and-freebsd-with-wine.html
I have installed Gecko when wine asked first time. My bad.
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No, I intend the first page of this discussion here.
I've just updated SU to the last release, but I'm noticing the same problems you've described in your post.
Mick
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I've been running SU on ubuntu 8.04 and now 8.10. I've had the black screen problem in version 1.16? of wine, however a day later it updated and the problem went away. I'm now on 1.18, and it still works great. Now all my plugin's work!
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well, sketchup is actually running faster in linux than it does in vista (with aero off)!! go figure.
however, i can't resize any of my tool windows (model info, component browser, material browser)...any ideas, i couldnt find anything on the web...
(arch linux i686, openbox3)
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@originalsurfmex said:
well, sketchup is actually running faster in linux than it does in vista (with aero off)!! go figure.
however, i can't resize any of my tool windows (model info, component browser, material browser)...any ideas, i couldnt find anything on the web...
(arch linux i686, openbox3)
Turning off Areo on Vista makes all screen operations slow as all hardware acceleration is gone.
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true that, sorry about not being more precise...i meant to say turning off all eye candy via those checkboxes - i didnt actually disable aero itself.
still, any ideas about those menu's in linux?
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For the latest info about Sketchup and Wine, see http://wiki.winehq.org/GoogleSketchup
The resizing bug mentioned above appears to be specific to the OpenBox window manager, and doesn't happen in Gnome. I've filed a bug for it, see http://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3914
As of wine-1.1.11, Sketchup 7 should work reasonably well if you have a recent Nvidia card, though you may have to set the HW_OK registry entry described in the wiki page above to 1 to get past the "cannot initialize opengl" bug.
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wow!! thank you bro. ill get changing window managers asap. in the meantime i'll keep an eye on the bug report. (gotta love the open source community)
[edit] fyi: im trying to keep it to a light window manager (even xfce4 is too heavy for me) - so i went with e17 (enlightenment) its allll good now!
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