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    • RE: Religion anyone?

      It occured to me that the way I am saying things may be confusing to some. So here's a story that I hope illustrates things:

      A man went outside after a rainstorm and saw that the streets were wet. A few days later, as he was walking, he saw a wet street and decided, "it must have rained here," and he walked on home. Because he was out walking, he missed the news report that a water main had broken near where he was walking, causing streets to be wet.

      He saw the evidence (the street was wet), and the evidence was accommodated by his theory (it had rained). However, the evidence was also accommodated by alternate causes (badly adjusted irrigation system, leaky water truck, a broken water main, melting ice or snow, someone washing their car, etc.), one of which happened to be the actual situation.

      The point is, the available evidence is accommodated by more than one theory. That being the case, the evidence (as it is) cannot be said to prove one or the other.

      posted in Corner Bar
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    • RE: Religion anyone?

      @chango70 said:

      Molecular natural selection fully incorporates Polyphyletic evolution as it can create independent chances of organic molecules from inorganics ones. It doesn't prove anything Rick. Gene-centric natural selection can also incorporate Polyphyletic evolution. I still don't understand why that would mean God. Care to elaborate?

      I didn't say it proved or disproved a creator. I was saying that the same evidence that would suggest polyphyletic evolution to an evolutionist would suggest creation to a creationist. And it makes sense that that would happen, since each view believes that the major groups of organisms have unique origins rather than a universal common ancestor.

      Here's a quick rundown of what happened:
      Original assertion: the evidence is accommodated by both creation theory as well as [polyphyletic] evolution theory.
      first con argument: the evidence is not accommodated by creation theory, citing monophyletic evolution theory as evidence.
      first response: not all evolutionists believe in monophyletic origins; evidence that is accommodated by polyphyletic evolution theory (multiple biogenesis events) would also be accommodated by creation theory.

      So, did you come to a decision on whether having only 4 DNA nucleotides constitutes a static system? (In the music analogy, I see these as the notes, as they are the building blocks for life, as notes are the building blocks for music).

      Oh, and no chains here. But you're entitled to your opinion...

      posted in Corner Bar
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    • RE: Windowizer

      I was going to use Sketchup.get_locale to determine which webdialog file to open. SU is only localized for the versions in my list (according to Google). I suppose that someone could translate the relevant webdialog to their particular language...

      posted in Developers' Forum
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    • RE: Windowizer

      If SketchUp supported "micro-localization", I could offer a deep-South version for the Dixie states ("Y'all Windowize that now, ya hear?"), or a New England cab driver version ("Windowize THIS, you *****!!"), or a close-to-the-49th-parallel version ("Windowize, eh?"). However, I will adamantly resist a "talk-like-a-pirate-day" version ("Aarrgh! Windowize it now, ye filthy sea dog, before I mop the deck with ye!"). Not sure about a Klingon-language version.

      Does anyone here speak Bocce?

      posted in Developers' Forum
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    • RE: Religion anyone?

      @chango70 said:

      How does polyphyletic evolution undermine that there is no need for intelligent creator/creators?

      Polyphyletic evolution asserts many different biogenesis events that led to the different types (kingdoms, phyla, classes, orders, families) with microevolution providing the variety within the families. This is more in line with creation (God created many different types that all had the capacity for variety within their kind) than is monophyletic evolution, the main difference being the origins of the initial life forms. But since neither polyphyletic nor monophyletic evolution deal with the origins of life, just what happened after life arose, there is still a need for an explanation of the origins of life - something too complex, in my view, to not have been intentional and designed.

      @unknownuser said:

      According to standard evolutionary theory, all organisms derive from a single ancestral species. Darwin's famous book is noted for having only one illustration โ€” the familiar monophyletic evolutionary tree, showing all living organisms linked to a single ancestor. The structure of this tree shows diversity first increasing at low taxonomic categories, eventually building to diversity at higher taxonomic categories. Evolutionarily speaking, this pattern seems inevitable โ€” small changes add up, eventually producing new species, then new genera, families, orders, etc. Unfortunately for the theory, this description is the opposite of the actual pattern in the rocks. The greatest morphological differences appear in the lower Phanerozoic rocks, while the rest of the fossil record consists largely of variations of familiar themes.

      @unknownuser said:

      Do I believe there are more than 8 notes in a scale. Yes I do. But within the set of parameters as defined by the 8 notes there seem to be endless compositions...so one could be fooled into looking/listening no further.

      Being a musician, I appreciate a music analogy. Given there are 8 notes in a standard major scale, I understand how you might think that being stuck in one key would be a "static condition" despite the seemingly "endless compositions" - and yet, DNA has only 4 elements. Is that not itself, then, a static condition? And yet whole symphonies of species are written with those four elements.

      There are 12 notes in a chromatic scale in western music. A major scale uses 8 of those 12 in a particular interval pattern. A natural minor scale also uses 8 of 12, but 3 are different, and there is a different interval pattern. A harmonic minor likewise uses 8 of 12, but 3 are different from the major, and one is different from the natural minor. Then there's the melodic minor scale, which has only one note different from a major scale when ascending, and is the same as the natural minor scale when descending. A chromatic scale uses all 12 notes. Then there are modal scales, but that's just too much...

      The point? Good question! ๐Ÿ˜„ The point is that (traditionally) a composer selects one key as the basis of a composition, and structures the composition based on the type of music being written and on the style (baroque, classical, romantic, etc). For example, a rondo has a different structure than a sonata or minuet. A symphony is distinct from a concerto, an opera, or a cantata. The styles (or "periods", thinking historically) are like higher orders, the composers and types are like lower orders, and the individual works are like the various species - they can be grouped by like parameters.

      Baroque : Bach : Concertos : Brandenburg #3 in G Major
      Baroque : Bach : Toccatas & Fugues : d minor
      Classical : Mozart : Symphonies : #40 in G minor
      Romantic : Brahms : Symphonies : #1 in c minor

      Granted, it's not a perfect analogy (keys are independent of types and styles, though the 12 tones are constant throughout western music from the late Renaissance to the late 19th century), but it is fun. ๐Ÿ˜„

      Anyway, need to get back to Windowizer...

      posted in Corner Bar
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    • RE: Religion anyone?

      @unknownuser said:

      To argue that things remain static or are not capable of taking on unique characteristics over time strikes me as being very dark, cold and closed, somewhat prison like (at least as i can imagine it).

      I didn't argue that, or even imply it - unless you consider "the ability to adapt and change within set parameters" to be a static condition.

      As for the rest, my condolences to you that you were introduced to a "depressing" faith. Mine is quite the opposite.

      remus: ๐Ÿ˜„ I understand, it's all in good fun. I guess it wouldn't be as impressive with only 4 faces...

      plot-paris: I understand the image, and it makes sense - until you consider Mr. Long-neck bending down to get a drink of water: the pumping force of the heart, necessary to send blood the great distance to his brain when upright, would kill him instantly when his head went down. Mr. Short-neck would not have that problem. So, who has the advantage? The one who can eat but not drink, or the one that can drink and find a lower tree? ๐Ÿ˜„

      all: I'll repeat my earlier statement that I respect the rights of others to hold a different view.

      posted in Corner Bar
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    • RE: Religion anyone?

      If the poster was accurate, it would be funnier.

      @unknownuser said:

      The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.

      1. That there is one only God, and he all perfect.
      2. That there is a future state of rewards and punishments.
      3. That to love God with all thy heart and thy neighbor as thyself, is the sum of religion.

      @unknownuser said:

      I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth - that God governs in the affairs of men.

      @unknownuser said:

      That I am not a member of any Christian church is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular....I do not think I could myself be brought to support a man for office whom I knew to be an open enemy of, or scoffer at, religion. [July 31, 1846]

      @unknownuser said:

      I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws.

      posted in Corner Bar
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    • RE: Windowizer

      Thanks, everyone, for the encouragement. The core is solid, and I'm making progress on some of the feature requests.

      I have another community request - I want to have local language support (as much as possible) for Windowizer4, and could use volunteers to translate into the following languages:

      [EDIT: text in gray indicates volunteer response]

      Arabic
      Bulgarian
      Catalan
      Chinese
      Croatian
      Czech
      Danish
      Dutch
      Finnish
      French
      German
      Greek
      Hebrew
      Hindi
      Hungarian
      Indonesian
      Italian
      Japanese
      Korean
      Latvian
      Lithuanian
      Norwegian
      Polish
      Portuguese
      Romanian
      Russian
      Serbian
      Slovak
      Slovenian
      Spanish
      Swedish
      Thai
      Turkish
      Ukrainian
      Vietnamese

      If you are willing & able to translate into one (or more) of these languages, post a reply with which language you can translate into. There is a web dialog, so knowledge of basic HTML (so you know what text prompts to edit) would be helpful. There will (eventually) be a brief help file as well.

      Thanks, community!

      posted in Developers' Forum
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    • RE: Windowizer

      That would be great!

      Thanks,

      posted in Developers' Forum
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    • RE: Insightful Article on Sarah Palin

      @paris said:

      Sorry man, but if a racist photo of Obama, or any black person, shining shoes doesn't send a chill through you with respect to where Ron and his kinfolk fit on the food chain then I don't know what will.

      You know, some black people do shine shoes. Some of those shoes belong to white people. It's not racist, it's reality. If the image had depicted Joe shining her shoes, would it have been sexist?

      @paris said:

      Personally, I have about as much regard for him as I do for the minor annoyance of stepping in dog s**t.

      So, akin to remus's question, does this constitute "insight into a man who degrades all human beings who do not fit within his warped world"? Just curious...

      posted in Corner Bar
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    • RE: Religion anyone?

      @tim said:

      @rickw said:

      So what evidence falls outside a "God created basic types with the ability to adapt and change within set parameters" theory?

      Just about all of it. Read some actual biology texts - and I don't mean the 'answers in genesis' crap. Learn some actual physics, so you don't fall prey to the moronic claims about "ooh the 2nd Law Of Thermodynamics means evolution is impossible".

      As an attempt to explain in a simple manner that relies on as little a priori knowledge as possible -
      a) if entities reproduce in a manner that occasionally makes mistakes
      b) if living entities compete for resources in order to survive and reproduce, then
      c) if the results of those mistakes that are either neutral or even slightly beneficial are carried through in the reproduction process (see a)
      then evolution is inevitable, inescapable and will result in compounding changes over reproductive generations.

      I've read many articles on both sides of the issue, including some so-called "real" biology texts. I've even studied physics (gasp!), though not, admittedly, as my major field of study, just as part of it. So, if you don't mind, please dispense with the irrelevant personal remarks - I understand your disdain for my point of view just fine without them.

      The first problem with that thought is the assumption that the mistakes can even be neutral or beneficial. Mistakes big enough to cause a significant change usually result in sterility, eliminating the possibility of inheriting the change. The second problem is that, assuming there was such a beneficial change that did not result in sterility, unless the same mistake happened twice (or became a dominant genetic trait), and the two recipients reproduced together, the trait would be watered down or recessive, waiting for a second recessive gene in the reproduction cycle for the change to reappear. Meanwhile, advantage lost. Third, even where observable changes have resulted among distinct populations, the groups are still identifiable as a variant of the original type - changes happen within the bounds for that type. Finally, there's still no solid evidence that this has actually resulted in other kingdoms, phyla, classes, orders, or families. In fact, Christopher Schwabe wrote in 1986: "Molecular evolution is about to be accepted as a method superior to paleontology for the discovery of evolutionary relationships. As a molecular evolutionist I should be elated. Instead it seems disconcerting that many exceptions exist to the orderly progression of species as determined by molecular homologies; so many, in fact, that I think the exception, the quirks, may carry the more important message."

      He believed that polyphyletic evolution (many origin-of-life events) was more likely, based on the evidence, than was monophyletic evolution (universal common ancestry).

      An evolutionist who doubts universal common ancestry. Interesting...

      posted in Corner Bar
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    • RE: Windowizer

      I considered a translation from US English to UK English (change "o" to "ou", replace "s" with "c" in certain words, substitute "-aft" with "-aught", reverse "-er" to "-re", and rename the "Apply" button to, "I say, old chap, would you mind Windowizing that for me, what what?"), but decided that might be a bit much.

      (stated with great fondness for all my friends on the other side of the pond)

      posted in Developers' Forum
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    • RE: Windowizer

      @unknownuser said:

      There is no French inside the liste? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
      Cela semble curieux! ๐Ÿ˜†

      I originally left French, German, and Spanish off the list, since I already had volunteers for those languages. However, since some think I am ignoring them (just joking), I have updated the list. Now all SketchUp supported languages are listed, and those with volunteers are grayed out to make it easier to see what needs remain.

      Thanks to everyone who has offered to help!

      posted in Developers' Forum
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    • Microsoft gets philosophical

      @unknownuser said:

      I think, therefore I am.

      @unknownuser said:

      To be or not to be, that is the question.

      @unknownuser said:

      Note: You must be to add or remove programs.

      from http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/article/improveperformance.htm

      posted in Corner Bar
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    • RE: The curruption will (did) prevail - rant

      @unknownuser said:

      @unknownuser said:

      Are you talking about CEO's or Senators?

      Not my question so forgive me but those I have come to know were one in the same and traveled in the same circles.

      No problem. It was a tongue-in-cheek question to tomsdesk that seemed timely after all the pork that got added to the "bailout" bill. ๐Ÿ˜ 

      posted in Corner Bar
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    • RE: Religion anyone?

      @tim said:

      @unknownuser said:

      The available evidence fits a "God created basic types with the ability to adapt and change within set parameters" theory as well as it fits a macroevolution theory.

      No, it doesn't. Not even close. Evidently your claim to have studied is not very serious.

      So what evidence falls outside a "God created basic types with the ability to adapt and change within set parameters" theory?

      posted in Corner Bar
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    • RE: The curruption will (did) prevail - rant

      @tomsdesk said:

      These guys walking away with millions from this mess should be treated as Enemy #1...and until they are history will repeat.

      Are you talking about CEO's or Senators? ๐Ÿ˜‰

      posted in Corner Bar
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    • RE: The VP Debate!!!

      @tomsdesk said:

      Just heard a blurb on the local news that she gave an interview today (imagine that :`) and said...the newscaster actually prefaced this with and I quote: "Senator Obama isn't qualified to be president".

      I didn't hear/see that interview, but she mentioned in the debate that those were Biden's words about Obama - was she restating Biden's statement in the interview?

      Whether or not she was, I'll echo it myself:

      I don't believe Senator Obama is qualified to be president.

      Now, I'm not that confident about the rest of the 3 in the race, either, but I'm sure about that one. I also think it's interesting that once Palin was picked for veep, Obama started comparing himself to her, as if she were running for the top spot on the ticket.
      mccainbiden.jpg

      Of course, I respect the right of others to respectfully disagree with me ๐Ÿ˜„

      posted in Corner Bar
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