Posts made by Masta Squidge

@unknownuser said:

I just loaded the glass library from Kerky site, but am reluctant to try anything too large.

Can you perhaps provide a link? Im having a stupid moment and cant seem to find the glass library...

I imagine you could fake a sun in the distance using a really bright light source and the right technique... Its just a matter of making it look right.

That is nice looking. Im not sure but isnt that house in Wisconsin? I know there are TONS of buildings designed by him just in my town alone. The SC Johnson building is located here (Racine, Wisconsin) and Several dozen "Round Houses" designed by him.

All of which look pretty neat.

Jackson Barkess wrote:
...and that 1/3 does in fact end, thats why its called a repeating, terminating decimal."

I believe that is what we call a typo Embarassed I believe it should read "does in fact NOT end, thats why its called a repeating, NON-terminating decimal.

Yeah, I slipped, it was past my bedtime.

Masta Squidge

JuanV.Soler wrote:
My thinking is that pi, must in fact, end .
(for it must provide a shape).
Whilst 1/3 does not have to provide a shape.
it is not his work.
can dream.

Smile

ooh circular reasoning (pun intended)

That makes sense, however there is nothing to say that a ratio cannot work properly without an end, only infinitely increasing levels of accuracy (which on its own is a paradox, because you cant do better than perfect right?)

I would be interested in running that by someone in the profession of calculating stupid numbers to places beyond any usable level of accuracy. Something about that statement, while it makes sense right now, doesn't exactly sit right in the back of my mind and I cant place it.

Anyways, I'm off to bed so I can survive work tonight, please by all means continue this because I love reading these sorts of things.

Masta Squidge

Please by all means message this joke to me! Unless its the one about the Special Olympics of course lol, because that is all too familiar.

Masta Squidge

SchreiberBike wrote:
Masta Squidge wrote:
He stated to me that since someone made it, that means it HAS to have an end.

Nobody made Pi or 1/3, they are ratios. Perhaps if he believes that God made the universe he will believe that God made those ratios. If God did it, perhaps he will believe that the ratios have no ending when expressed as numbers.

Good point, in fact, I dont think I can think of any response for that.

But I told him half a dozen times that nobody "made" the numbers, hes just one of those thick headed kids who by a strange coincidence is also a conspiracy theorist.

Somehow he managed to bring a discussion about mathematics around to a discussion of what I believe happened on 9/11, the went totally off explaining how the government did it.
Sorry, but I personally don't care how it happened, what I care about was the fact that it happened at all, and shouldn't have. But that's got nothing to do with this now does it!

I love the interwebz, its where everyone has a voice, even the people who act so dumb that logically (based on their portrayed intelligence) they shouldn't be capable of understanding how to type.

Masta Squidge

I just re-read that and my typing is horrible when I'm on a roll.

Masta Squidge

Would you guys agree with this post? I just sort of figured it all out as I went along:

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Etchii wrote:
PI is non terminating, non repeating. (I find the non repeating part hard to believe... in my head if you were patient enough to keep dividing and ended up with 10^10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 digits...somewhere there has to be a pattern. Even if it is a 10 billion digit sequence.)
1/3 is non teminating, repeating.

divide 1/3

.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 (see it will never end, just keep dividing for your entire life...enjoy a legacy of 3s)

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Masta Squidge wrote:

Actually i understand your logic, there are 10,000,000,000 possible combinations of the numbers 0-9 when only using 10 places, ten digits to the power of ten. Which either you figured out or its a fluke that you said 10 billion.

However the reason why that may be untrue, is that in order for the pattern to repeat, you would need the first 10 billion digits and the second ten billion digits to be in the same order.
But the problem comes when dealing with 10 billion digits, as you then have 10 billion places to take into account, which pushes the number to 10,000,000,000^10, and im not willing to figure that one out, as the character limit of this post probably wouldnt touch .1% of the digits.

What I mean is that the more places you have, the more possible combinations of 0-9 you have. When this is taken into account it is easy to see why its posisble that it will never repeat.
Lets not forget that a pattern of ten billion digits repeated twice then has 20 billion^10 combinations.... pusching that even farther out of reach.

Masta Squidge

Sorry for the double post Embarassed

Krisidious wrote:
yeah I agree Bruce...

infinity is a hard thing for people to grasp... but some things are unanswered, we never know for sure. or at least not while we ask the question. math may or may not be natural. I see it more as our description of the universe...

from when the single cell splits 1+1=2 to π the whole universe is math... but it may have an edge? an end? that 13 dimension theory calls for multiple universes would that not mean that infinite was not so infinite after all?

Even if the 13 dimension theory was true (I kind of like that theory) the concept of infinity would still hold true for things like numbers, who occupy no real space physical or otherwise, and so has no bounding limits regardless of any limits the universe might have.

Like I told that kid, you can always add one more, and in the same regard for the negative end of the number line you can always subtract one.

I think the only limit for numbers would be the physical limit of the size of the universe not having enough room if filled with sheets of paper, stacked up and spread out in multiple stacks across the entire universe, filling every square nanometer, to write down all the numbers!

Masta Squidge

modelhead wrote:
I'd say you are wasting your energy on this person...right or wrong.
You show a lot of passion in your (other thread) discussion that would be better directed to your art. I am guilty of this myself from time to time.

One other thing....I do think it is good that you are trying to understand his point of view although it seems to be a moving target. Remember the number of times that you have heard the word "impossible" in your life. I hope that you rarely pay attention to that word.

Cheers!

There is nothing I enjoy more than a proper debate, but since that is a rarity I will settle for giving my best to argue my side of a story, providing as much proof as I can (unlike most people who think their opinion is the end all be all).
Only when the other person proves me wrong will I accept that fact.
The beauty of forums is that I have time to look up my information before I make a post, that way I try to be as accurate as I can be.

Masta Squidge

More than that even, if you look on wiki it says more than one thing, being that its wiki and anyone can change it, but it states several billion and over one trillion places on the page.
But more so than whether or not he is right about pi is that he is using false logic.
He stated to me that since someone made it, that means it HAS to have an end. He treats numbers as if they are physical creations.
If he is applying the same logic to the decimal for 1/3, then he obviously has no idea if pi ends or not, so thats not the problem, the problem is how he can assume his logic is correct when he can prove it to himself, on paper, that 1/3 never ends.

Actually, to be honest i have no idea if you guys can follow what exactly what im trying to get across, because the connection between my brain and my typing is like running HDTV over a 400 mile long telephone line. Yet he insists that it does end based on information that is only based in his own mind, and he is unable to provide any proof except for if-then statements that have no foundation in reality.
The biggest one being that if someone created the number, then it must end. This is obviously flawed, because number were not "created", we simply gave names to things which previously existed but had not yet been "discovered"

Masta Squidge

So, I recently got into an argument on another forum relating irrational numbers, and non terminating numbers.
This fellow user swears six ways from Sunday that I'm wrong and he is right and that pi does in fact end, and for that matter, that 1/3 as a decimal ends.

Now, anyone who paid attention in math class in middle school knows that he is wrong, that pi is called an irrational number for a reason, and that 1/3 does in fact not end, thats why its called a repeating, non-terminating decimal.

Now, you could argue that we havent calculated pi to enough places and that it could have an end, but that would be false because during the process of long division you would end up dividing every digit from 0-9 and would always have a remainder no matter which digit you wind up with. (Dont know how else to explain that, but I know what i mean E Grin lol)

Anyways, this kids argument is that everything has a beginning and an end, and that our math is messed up because he is clearly the one who is right (regardless of what hundreds of years of study say) but anyone who grasps the concept of infinity knows that not everything has a beginning or an end in mathematics.

You can peruse the thread here:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=offtopic&thread.id=2156247

But what im really after, is a discussion on the possible logic this kid (maybe adult?) is using, because no matter how hard I try I cannot possibly grasp the same logic that he is using.
The way I see it, is that if the concept of infinity exists, and if pi is classified as an irrational number, then by definition that means it never ends. I would think that even if i had no idea what pi actually is.
Also, just by doing the long division on paper you can see clearly within two steps that 1/3 converted to a decimal in fact will never end.

Fixed, because I failed at... being smart? Laughing
Masta Squidge

You have to remember though that a dryer vent like that is made up of a spiral not a series of circular wires. At least the one attached to my dryer is. Ive never seen one that is made up of single circles of wire embedded into the covering material.

On a side note that looks REALLY good.

I found this amusing. I like how he just gets up like nothing happened.

Ive looked into the rep rap stuff before, in order to work with metal you need either extremely high temps or a cnc machine. In order to make something like a gun you would need to deal with metals, thats why i said something like that isnt exactly possible for a rapid prototyper.

There was one made that used sugar and a hot air gun though, that was kind of neat.

It is promising though, although in the end the goal they are trying to achieve is self replication. it would require alot of incoming resources, and a machine capable of doing many different types of operations. Meaning with current technology it would need to be a very large, multi stage machine. Not exactly what they are hoping for though. Not to mention that these machines cant create any parts that make use of metal so motors and wiring are out of the question. At least, thats how it is so far.

Sadly, in my limited scope of the world i cant read that.
But from what i can tell thats a way of working metal? I suppose that given the right machine you could do it with todays technology then. It would require a large machine though.

Unless of course that has nothing to do with my previous post and im just babbling in the wind.

Jon Wood wrote:
http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?1,2083,page=1

Above is a link to an interesting, if a little long, forum discussion on the pros, cons and practicalities of building your own 3D printer and some views on the ramifications of mass roll out of these devices.
There is a great quote; "put your feet up Santa, the christmas machine is coming!"
Also they propose the idea of Napster style piracy issues to do with downloading and printing, for instance, toys.
My immediate concern is that criminals could download blueprints for a handgun or other weapon and print out the parts? But a crime spree shouldn't stand in the way of innovation! I want one.

I'd be very interested to know if anybody has home built a 3d printer capable of architectural model making.

the problem with printing is that you need a suitable medium. I assume that steel or any sort of alloy would be far too much for one of these to handle. Then again, who knows, its the future right?

@unknownuser said:

I look forward to the day I get to use something newer than Photoshop 7. Yes I said 7.
We also use Pegasus mail at work... don't get me started on that one

Ouch... That hurts. I feel your pain, at least its Photoshop and not Paint Shop Pro.

@tomsdesk said:

Edson, the gif animator program I have automatically adds the number of transition frames you choose between the start and finish frames of a movement sequence. Once you get into the thought mode of the program it's pretty easy to start having fun.

Lol what program is it? That looks neat.