Thanks for the info Pilou, It took longer than that though, i am not so fast as some here. Apologies if i have posted this in the wrong place, moderators feel free to move or delete. Sam

Thanks for the response Gaieus, Yes, sorry about the essay, turned a bit stream of conciousness!! will keep on trying and shove something in the gallery when i am happy with it; on a different model hopefully. Regards Sam