I like it, but there are some imperfections.....I mean watching it carefully you can realize is not a real picture. But your work is very very good so I think you can be satisfied of it. I'd change the landscape which is one of the things that makes your rendering untrue, and the gold cup on the bookcase.....oh yes...and the red books.
Talking about the second rendering, the room with those big windows, I don't like the texture of the side of the desks, it looks like cardboard or chipboard. I repeat you can be satisfied, but with a bit of patience, your work can be perfect, even because most of the fornitures are rendered very good

.....oh my god.....
What is in your everyday diet..... bread and engineering???
Incredibly perfect

I've always thought SU as a good tool to draw houses, fornitures, trading centres, etc. I mean apart from the personal abilities, I think you'are really talented...I thought SU didn't allow certain kind of projects, like a professional Cad does...but I was absolutely wrong. If I've thought that about SU is not because I'm a professional designer hard to please, with preconceived ideas, but just because I've never seen such a good project of this type made with SU.
What you did is amazing

.... I have no words....
You deserve an award first of all for your patience
I like the renderings, but also the idea of your project...very very good work
"Ciao" Laura

@thomthom said:

Good to hear that it's worked out.
Though, it do sound you can benefit from some better hardware. Maybe a new card is all you need. It really depend in what your Sketchup usage is.

A new pc would be better
Unfortunately this is only an hobby..I'm not an architect or a designer and I've never read a SU tutorial, so my usage is an amateur one.
Thanks again for your useful advices

@burkhard said:

Two months ago I got a model with 118 MB and the client had the same problems. I have had reduced it to 1,36 MB without textures ( If he had let me finished some landscapes, I'm sure it would be under 1MB) Now it is completely finished ( by the client), including the textures and it is not more than 16 MB.

Purging and delete unneeded Geometrie reduce the file size only with 4MB.
After different steps with deleting textures, copying in a new instance and look for bad Geometrie I had success.

The most times I found that there is a lot bad Geometrie that forces Sketchup to long calculations which will multiplied with forthcoming modeling.

So, a new Graphiccard is just a short step in relation to a clean way to model.

I agree with you, who knows how many mistakes I've done, but I have this kind of problems even if I download any kind of model from the 3d gallery which is more complex...like an house, or a flat, etc.. As I wrote before, SU moves in jerks....even with modells drawn by others. I think this is due to the graphic card
If you have some time to waste, I'll be thankful if you could find out if my model has many bad geometries or not....but if you can't don't care about my request.
Thanks Laura

Ohhhh DONE!! DONE.... DONE!!!
You were right, pictures were too big, oh guys thanks...thanks...thanks
This is what I did: into the SU material menu i saved the pictures into another folder in Jpeg format, than I resized them into paint because they were too big for my model. If you see the model, on the desk there is a picture of a dog, the original one was a 7mpixel picture of 5Mb, an so were the other ones (4 or 2 Mb...too big). In this way I obtained pictures of the size I needed for my components and the right lightness (an average of 25 kb)without loosing quality.
This is the link to my model, if you want to criticize it...you can speak freely

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(sketchup.google.com)

Veeery good...I like it
I'm obsessed by kitchens, and I can tell you that the things that make me realize that it's a rendering and not a real picture is the light on the left of the table, the centrepiece, maybe a bit the landscape outside the window (but only watching it carefully) and last tha main wall....you can see that the piece between the black paint and the cupboard is not well defined as the rest of the wall. But these are only details, your work is absolutly good.
Chairs are perfect.....
Laura

@thomthom said:

I got an ATI Radeon 9800 on my old computer at home. Still handles SU very well. Though, I'm not sure the difference between the cards.

Sketchupis known to have issues with certain ATI cards. And especially older drivers. You could be suffering from a bad driver.

So I suppose I should update my graphic card drivers... yheeeaaaaa!!!

However decreasing pixel size ("physical" size) of the images - i.e. resizing them - should still help both performance (if the card is crappy) and file size so I'm eagerly awaiting any results from that.<

I will decrease the pixel size of all the pictures and I hope it works
This bedroom took me so much time that it would be a pity to put it aside

@thomthom said:

Right-click your Desktop
Choose Properties from the menu

Then go to the Settings tab and it should say your graphic card name under the monitor image.

Ooook I found it: ATI Radeon 9200 pro family..... oh god it's not old..it's jurassic

@thomthom said:

It could be worth finding out the graphic card model. It could very well be that you need to update your drivers. Sektchup, and any other 3D modelling applications, are very sensitive to the drivers used. It could make or break your experience.

I've tried to find out the model through the "System" window into the "control panel", but the only things written about my pc are: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.80 GHz, 2.0 Gb of RAM.
In internet I found a program "Everest Home" which should tell me all the components of my pc....is an .exe file...shall I trust in it or not?

@thomthom said:

I do wonder if you have some fault with your graphic card or other hardware. As 17MB files shouldn't be a problem for SU. I often end up with 100-200mb files...

Infact...that's what makes me get very angry
My pc is an assembled one....recently I've changed the ram (now is 2 Gb), I put two new hard disks (a sata of 150 Gb and one of 500 Gb), but for what I remember the graphic card is old, but I don't remember its model. My pc is not modern, is not powerful, that's why I need to resize my model..or I will never end it up

@thomthom said:

You should only need to smooth the lines if they are part of a curved surface. If they are between on a flat surface you should be able to delete them. However, if you end up with holes when you delete the edges it means the surface isn't planar and you got something out of alignment in your model.

(Btw, you can upload images directly to the fourm by using the Upload attachment below the reply textbox.)

That's what I did, I've smoothed lines of curved surfaces, I know there are too much of them, but I like soft lines and hate squared things.
Talking about curved surfaces, look for example to the pillars of the banister....they are all curved

and these are the links of two of the several components of my model:
The beside table: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=2cba43cc26f174a8f9a65dcd8ee605f

The closet: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=ec60504ef6ae3d27d33ad267b2b14c28

I don't want to "plug" my models, it's just to make you understand how I use curved lines and how I hide them

Oh thanks for the advice about images
And thanks for all your advices

@gaieus said:

@laura_aut said:

Yeah it's true, there are lots of hidden/softened edges, I don't lke all that lines, so I hide or soften them....maybe I do wrong

Surely nobody would like them but they mean that during modelling, there were a lot of mistakes made and of course, those edges add to the size of the model.

As for image sizes and a fix (and I don't mean the "physical" size as they appear in SU but their pixel size, compression - generally speaking their file size), first of all we need to know what SU version (number) you are using. (Although it cannot be SU 7 yet as you are saying you use the Italian version and it hasn't come out yet).

I hide the lines of curved surfaces, and as you can see in the small picture I posted in this thread, in my model there are lots of curved surfaces. I've hidden/softened also the curves of forniture components (like the beside tables, the chest in front of the bed, but also the stairs, the banister etc.) Compared with my very first models, now I made less mistakes, so my models are enough precise (but not perfect ), so when I hide lines or edges is because I consider that part of the model complete. I didn't think that those edges could give my model a bigger size....I thought that components made the model heavier. Thanks to you, I've learned something new
Oh my SU, I wrote it to ThomThom, version 6 (the free one, not pro). Consideing that I put in my models pictures with their original pixel size...i suppose my model is going to explode

@gaieus said:

Turn on hidden geometry (View menu) and see what I suspect; your model is rather "mesy" loaded with a bunch of hidden/softened edges that shouldn't be there (unless the faces are not coplanar but then that causes the mess).
Now if you've used external images, again (Thom and me already asked) have you optimised them? If you decrease the file size of the images, the whole model will decrease as well. Also, if your video card is not very good, those heavy images could explain the frequent crashes.

Yeah it's true, there are lots of hidden/softened edges, I don't lke all that lines, so I hide or soften them....maybe I do wrong

No...another mistake, I take the images (in internet or personal ones) with their original size (I don't decrease them). I put the image into my model and then I resize it in the materials menu, following the size of the component (ex. 85 mm x 123 mm)
Yes...my video card is absolutely far away from being good
Thanks Laura

@thomthom said:

Does the crashes happen often? Only with Sketchup? Only with this model?

My pc hates this model, when I say that it crashes I mean that to open the file it takes almost a minute, when I want to rotare the model, just to change the view, the rotation is very very slow, the model moves in jerks or it appears the notification window which says that the program doesn't work. (I use the program and the pc in Italian language, so I don't know exactly how is written in english that notification windows, this is a personal translation, I don't know if it's right ):D
Sometimes happens that with other models (of similar size) the program have the same problems, sometimes happens (rarely telling the truth) that the pc restart again...alone....a sudden black screen and then the windows loading message as if I'd have just switch on the pc
For this reason I need the model to be more "light", because it's quite hard to work in this way
Laura

@gaieus said:

I gues the Warehouse. She (?) mentioned "10 Mb" as limit, also "through the program" and that's the WH (here of course, even 10 Mb would be big)

Laura, did you also try to decrease the file size of the textures? Did you use external images at all (or just plain SU materials)?

How about using components?

Maybe the problem is that my model contains a lot of external images and components (all made by me, only few are SU components like the door, the armchairs, the bad)... here is an image (4 different points of view of my model) just to make you understand of what I'm talking about: Sorry I used Imageshack

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The problem is that my model is too heavy for my pc, even if it'is not complete, there is an empty room (which should be the bathroom), there are no doors for the two rooms (bathroom and the closet) and the big window is missing.
So the solution is to resize the texures and the images?? Is it possible to resize the single components I've drawn??
Thanks

@thomthom said:

hm... a 17 MB model isn't that big that it should crash your computer...
What version of Sketchup do you use? Are you on Windows or Mac?
Where do you try to uplaod it? Google Warehouse?

Ohhh my computer...yes he can crash...it is a bit capricious....or better is not a recent one
I use Sketchup 6 (free version not the pro version) on a windows xp professional
Yes I tried the uploading on google warehouse

@unknownuser said:

Hi,

Did you purge your model to remove unused components, textures etc.?

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No I didn't....now I've done it and the file is 17 Mb. Too "heavy"
It's so "complex" that even my pc crashes when I open it ...I'm trying to upload it in this moment but the export says that it's too big
Thanks again for your suggestions guys