I actually worked out that for what I wanted I could save money doing things the other way around. I wanted an HDTV, but was not overly impressed by the prices, so I got myself a 24" 1080p iiyama monitor and a freeview tuner box (digital terrestrial for the non-brits), making sure that both had HDMI ports. The monitor does have speakers and gets the signal through the HDMI, but I used the phono outs on the tuner to go through my hifi. It's not the tv in the lounge, so 24" is fine, but you could go for a bigger screen if you wanted.

I don't know whether there are big differences between the ways of quoting refresh rates, but mine was quoted as 5ms (because it is a monitor), which should be 200Hz, I would think, but they could be referring to different things, so don't just take my word for it. Whether that matters probably depends on what you want it for: just doing things in SU it shouldn't be an issue, but if you like to play fast racing games and things too, then I would go for a faster screen.

I'm not an A/V engineer or anything like that, so I can only talk about my case, which is that it still works (very nicely) as a high spec monitor, but is also a pretty good tv and a great screen for my xbox 360. It is only very slightly more complicated than just buying a tv off the shelf and is probably easier if you also want it to be a monitor, I don't remember the figures, but I think it did save me a fair amount, especially through shopping around.

As much as I would like a native linux port of SU, there is a list of other things I would like first.

Maybe we will get lucky and they will decide they want a version for their own OS, then the only extra they would have to do is make it X11 compatible. Although, as Chrome OS is planned for netbooks that may not be likely.

I would be happy to test it for them, if they do ever plan a linux version.

Until a recent update (I think) broke it, I did have SU running ok in wine for general things. DCs don't work though, I think the dialog boxes depend on IE or something, which is annoying, and there is the known issue with the screen not refreshing, apart from that it was pretty much the same as in windows.

I have a Mac (powerbook), which I use most of the time and I generally prefer it to using my windows box. Unlike most people, I got the Mac for the things you can't see; I like that it has Bash by default, that there is a lot of uni stuff I can put on it easily and just the general *nixiness of the internals. It is good as a laptop, too, light, thin, decent battery etc. Most things do just work and I don't know what I would do now without Hot Corners.

There is the odd thing I have come across in the Mac version of SU that I prefer (exporting pictures, for example, as rarely as I do that from the menu), but there are also a lot of annoying things which are different from the Windows version, for no good reason.

Of course, if I could choose any OS and have SU work on it, it would be Linux. I don't think I am a fanboy of anything, but windows really annoys me when I have to use it for any length of time. Linux usually does what I want and, ironically, is now easier to use most of the time, too. It really has come on leaps and bounds in the last few years and some of the window managers now rival OS X for prettiness. If a few key applications would properly support it, I wouldn't look back.

Oh, and for anyone who has ever had trouble installing Microsoft software, using Windows Update, or anything else like that: you may be amused to know that you are not alone.

I remember a BBC documentary about them, which some of the other Brits might have seen: Louis Theroux and The Most Hated Family in America. It was interesting and funny as most of his things are, but also disturbing and quite sad, especially for the younger members of the family, some of whom were starting to question what they were told, at the risk of being completely ostracised. There are some links to extra, interesting information at the bottom of the wiki article.

I find it entertaining that the Hell's Angels now offer to police soldiers' funerals to keep that church out and drown out their protest. Maybe not surprising, given their origins, but entertaining nonetheless.

That appears to be it, Fredo, everything is working.

Hopefully that will mean things will be fine on the Mac in the future, but I will look forward to testing whatever you come up with next

Also, About Centre is toggled by Option (Alt) on the Mac, but that is fine as it is consistent with other tools (Ctrl is used to right click, in case you really feel the need to use a single button mouse).

Ok, now I am really confused.

Things are fine in the plugins menu and the toolbars, but the context menu is still the same. Also, Tab works fine in JPP, but not in this. That does use the old version of LibTraductor (Dec 2007), although the section on keys appeared to be the same (I only looked briefly, so I might have missed something.

F2 and F3 don't seem to do anything, although if selected from the menu (context menu when using the tool works, but not for selecting the tools at the start), it behaves as you would expect. The ASCII code for Tab does seem to be 9, but, interestingly, for F2 and F3 it is 120 and 99, which is the same as for x and c. The hex keyboard codes are 78 and 63 (rather than 7 and 8 for x and c). I don't know if this is the same on the PC or how things work in the rubies, but hopefully that will help you a bit.

Here is a picture of the highlight thing, on the line tool at the moment, if I press it again it will move to the rectangle tool. It does that if you Tab with other tools in normal use, so maybe JPP was grabbing the input in another way?

That's excellent Fredo, I have all the labels and the shortcuts are bound. I assume it was just splitting that line in declare_command, although I am not sure why that should affect it.

Tab seems to highlight different tools, which can then be selected using space. It does something similar with Georeferencing sometimes. I think it is a Mac thing and it is Really Annoying, as space is the default (and most useful) binding for select. I really wish Google would choose the best aspects of the Windows and Mac versions and then make them both the same.

But anyway, thank you for all your hard work, I am glad it is now working.

Mine originally had two, but I changed it to show all of them down at the bottom of the preferences. You have to scroll down and resize the window in order to see it. I'll use the normal two more, but the target ones will be handy to have around.

Thanks Edson. I gave that a go, even migrating all my plugins, but that didn't seem to work this time. It did make me think about permissions and ownership, but they all seem fine. I think the rubies only need to be readable, as SU just reads them on startup and presumably then runs things from memory.

My own scripts work fine, despite having no execute permissions (644, must be something to do with Aquamacs, I will have to check the settings).