Those plugins do work. And yes, one has to learn how each plugin works first. Why do not you post an example of what you want to achieve and then we can provide some help?

That was it - thank you!

@dave r said: I see where you're coming from although I would think that if a file was included there wouldn't be a need to provide a link to it. i agree with you. I am not saying this was not my fault, i am merely adding a note, so that others would not get frustrated and give up on this useful plugin. I am stubborn and would not quit till i got it to work. This was clearly me not reading between the lines. I know now, how some of these programs work. My thought was that if i needed a new car, i would not have to go look for an engine, even if the dealer made a mention that cars needed a certain engine to work. I would have thought that was included in the price. Again, i am not trying to be difficult. I apologize if it appears like i am. Not my intention at all.