"We've Stopped Updating Sketchup Make"
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I really appreciate the mostly civil discussion on this forum.
Once upon a time I was president of a media/software company. I understand the importance of making money and having a good product to do that with. That said, Trimble needs someone on their staff that understands that it's not just marketing. There is some sensitivity missing there. SU has an established history of substantial introductory involvement that allows the greatest possible spectrum of uses. Trimble risks losing that with a poorly designed transition to product purchase. I've seen what kids can do with SU and how it frees their creative thinking. I don't get a sense that there is anyone at Trimble that really understands that. The tacky notices and confusing explanations, marketing hype and instructions look like an amateur approach to a legitimate need to improve the bottom line. Somewhere in all of the brilliant minds we have must be is a solution to "#%^&(*&^#!" people who make money with make level and never buy pro.
I got to a point where I could no longer afford the latest version of Photoshop. (I skipped a couple of upgrades cause I was so focused on work.) I have it now because of monthly rental. Maybe there could be a way to subsidize people under age to enjoy SU and have a stricter control on a commercial version. I'm not trying to start an argument, I just remember the cold feeling when I saw the SU splash screen...No More Upgrade... and then was offended by trying to use
"Free". That program is an insult to the intelligence of your market and with the prevailing lack of delayed gratification who wants to wait until it's "better". Oh Oh... I'm starting to feel a soap box growing under my feet, it's time to stop.[for those in another culture unfamiliar with that saying: People who gave loud sometimes radical speeches in city parks brought soap boxes to stand on so they could be heard and seen above any crowd they may attract.]
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Thank you for you suggestions and advice. I will start another thread soon with better information. Everything you said is helpful. So...in a few days, I will be able to follow up. Thanks again.
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@box said:
There are only two reasons I can think of for installing Make 2015 rather than the final Make 2017.
the third reason under Windows is the ability to disable the OpenGL hardware acceleration of the GPU ("Window > Preferences > OpenGL") for enabling to run with sub-par graphics systems (e.g. integrated intel HD series) and driver versions with an incompatible OpenGL support latest with SU version 2016.
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Box...I've looked through the forums and am not sure which one would be the most appropriate one to post my questions. As I mentioned in the above post but edited it out I've been saving to get my young relatives into SketchUp by giving them laptops. (13" Apple MacBook Pro, 2.5GHz Core i5, 4GB RAM, 500GB HD - 2012 with Mohave OS.) What would have been simple a year ago about giving them SU is not so anymore, mostly because of the controversy over the changes in the versions. Small note: I've never really noticed any problem with my graphics cards. I'm sure there is a forum around here that I could sort that out on.
And, Sketch3d.de, thank you for additional information. I should have noted that I'm doing Mac and should always include that.
One last thing...I apologize for the strident tone of my post above. It's my problem that I was not prepared for the inevitable. The timing with the grand kids is not Trimble's fault. I just want them to be very thorough in understanding their market.
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Hellnbak Allow me to explain what it means for you.
"Explore the latest and greatest way to SketchUp."
Someone is under the outdated impression that "the latest and greatest" has actually proven to be that. They are unaware of the multitude of people who DON'T jump on that because it is either not fully tested and full of bugs, or it's simply not true and a disappointment.
"A Pro subscription" Oh really? How obvious.
"Model on your desktop and on the web"
Well, we've been on our desktops for a long time without the web so the obvious assumption is that there is something great about "modeling on the web". Did they actually ask anyone, or maybe everyone, who really likes working "on the web"? They are believing their own hype about the wonderful world of the web, and the cloud etc. They haven't noticed that there are a few things about the web that are "unreliable". I do my photo restoration in PhotoShop and deliver directly to my clients by email or CD-ROM. Few of them even know what the cloud is. I'm sure outside of a few cutting edge high tech young designers and the like, that the only people using augmented virtual reality are NOT in business.
I'm glad they stopped at "and more".
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I'm sorry, I forgot one thing.
"SketchUp Make isn't getting any younger. We've stopped updating SketchUp Make"
That looks like an attempt to soften the announcement about stopping with a non sequitur. Did anyone think it was getting younger? How is that a reason to stop updating it. Uh...er...why not update it so it can get older. Surly there is another explanation that would not be so clumsy. Perhaps an explanation that respects the intelligence of their users and their market. Actually it wouldn't be such a big deal on it's own as an announcement except that it's IN YOUR FACE, when you open the program. Timbler, rethink your marketing transition style and substance. -
The subscription thing is nothing new, take a look at tv for a start. Watching tv for many of is is a subscription deal. Software has been going that way for a long time, no matter what the companies say the cost of software is going up but they want to distract us from this by taking less in one go. Does this help? No idea but it may. As for everything being done in the cloud, well I am too suspicious and would not trust the cloud with a thing, too prone to attack for a start. I am an old fart though so perhaps am not a good example of the general public.
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@roidsan said:
"SketchUp Make isn't getting any younger. We've stopped updating SketchUp Make"
I think this should read "You're running a 2015 version of SketchUp and we want to move you over to something that you will have to pay for."
Its a valid remark if you're making money using Make. For hobbyists, who are happy with the 2015 technology, its pestering.
So apparently old Make(s) got an update to display this new splash screen without you knowing it?
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@roidsan said:
And, Sketch3d.de, thank you for additional information. I should have noted that I'm doing Mac and should always include that.
have seen this but the post is a reply to Box meant for users of this other minor platform
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@kaas said:
Its a valid remark if you're making money using Make. For hobbyists, who are happy with the 2015 technology, its pestering.
if you're making money using Make it's a violation of the license agreement and therefore illegal. Hobbyists getting SketchUp Make actually up to version 2017 for free should be pretty happy to get their hands on this nearly unlimited version... I know, giving an inch but expecting a yard is common these days.
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Sketch3d.de wrote:
@unknownuser said:
I know, giving an inch but expecting a yard is common these days.
This sounds very much as a somebody who is a reseller of SU-pro.
I know that you can't make any money on SU-make.
But then remember the many SU-Make users that are involved in helping others in these forums.
And don't forget the Plugin developers that make and made all the free Plugins.
This community of helping and giving people are the ones who made Sketchup such a successful program. -
@bep said:
This sounds very much as a somebody who is a reseller of SU-pro.
...and constantly donating to the community for free by hosting the German SU forum (ad-free), trying to support on all forums, supporting and consulting even non-customers as well as providing some ressources as e.g. support tools, a thorough download archive or LO templates (DIN/ISO).
@bep said:
But then remember the many SU-Make users that are involved in helping others in these forums.
And don't forget the Plugin developers that make and made all the free Plugins.
This community of helping and giving people are the ones who made Sketchup such a successful program.SketchUp is the reason which made SketchUp such a successful program already since the @Last times with no free version and no communities avail.
Plugin developers can request a NFR license of SU Pro, hobbyists and supporters can use the Make version 2017 withount any runtime limit (besides OS support breaks).
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@kaas said:
@roidsan said:
"SketchUp Make isn't getting any younger. We've stopped updating SketchUp Make"
I think this should read "You're running a 2015 version of SketchUp and we want to move you over to something that you will have to pay for."
Its a valid remark if you're making money using Make. For hobbyists, who are happy with the 2015 technology, its pestering.
So apparently old Make(s) got an update to display this new splash screen without you knowing it?
IIRC I started w/ SU "Make" with SU 6. I use 16 now (there were some issues w/ my plug-ins with SU 17.
Very happy it was a free program all of those years.
Now... should I but Pro? Nope. It doesn't give me anything I value. Should I buy it on the expectation it will eventually provide what I want? Very doubtful. Being able to add color to lines hasn't been added since SU 6. Being able to select faces w/o materials hasn't been added either. Being able to manipulate textures in the same way you move lines or faces, nothing there either.
Sure, most of this time it has been in Google's hands but as best I can tell Trimble is doing even less with the code. So when I see the splash screen about Make isn't getting any younger what pops into my mind is what has changed in this product at any time I can now recall that would persuade me to pay big bucks for it? Not a thing. OTOH if they had asked for $60-$100 for each new version I might have forked that over a couple of times to upgrade the installer (that's what usually goes south when the OS changes). 2X-3X that for a subscription? No thanks. Doesn't do anything I need and hasn't added anything I wanted.
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OK.
But my sketchup make 2017 just STOPPED WORKING.Licence text means: "user, Sketchup Make 2017, Trial version Pro, expired"
And I can choose between free (web based) or trial pro.
J want my MAKE2017 back.
I tried to reinstall, but with no resylts.
Any ideas? Any help?MAc
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maybe a KI-based algorithm which detects a commercial use... just kiddin'
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@sp9mrn said:
OK.
But my sketchup make 2017 just STOPPED WORKING.Licence text means: "user, Sketchup Make 2017, Trial version Pro, expired"
And I can choose between free (web based) or trial pro.
J want my MAKE2017 back.
I tried to reinstall, but with no resylts.
Any ideas? Any help?MAc
It seems as though you had downloaded SU2017Pro which runs in trial mode for 30 days. Rather download SU2017Make and see if that changes anything for you.
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Can confirm, my copy of 'SU Make 15' still works just fine.
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SOLVED (or rather "good results without understanding"
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Uninstall, manual deleting folders from appdata etc., installing english version 64,
(installing PL version did not help, but english was working OK)
then i've installed polish version 64.Everything is OK EXEPT kbd shortcuts, wchich dissapeared
MAcPS1: No, It was 100% SUMake 2017, working OK about 2 months. (I use SU from ver 7, and I kbow differences between Make and pro-demo) - but it was 1st what i chcecked
PS2
I tried web-based "Free". It's a kind of nightmare.
BTW - I have plugins I've paid for. Something is not fair... Not good way...
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