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    • sdmitchS Offline
      sdmitch
      last edited by

      If there is no Face then either there is a 'gap' or the edges are not coplanar. The do not have to be 'welded' together to form a face.

      Nothing is worthless, it can always be used as a bad example.

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      • pbacotP Offline
        pbacot
        last edited by

        TT plan tools or edge tools have help for closing gaps between coplanar edges

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        • KathrynGK Offline
          KathrynG
          last edited by

          Will investigate - thank you. I could probably just redraw the darn thing, but what's the fun in that! Problems are learning experiences. 😄

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          • S Offline
            slbaumgartner
            last edited by

            The heavy lines at the right in your image look like profiles. I'd start by looking carefully around there for gaps, non-coplanar, and similar issues. Drawing diagonals between corners is a good way to zero in on problems because a triangle always forms a face (three points are always coplanar), so failure means there is something wrong in the boundary that should have formed a triangle.

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            • pbacotP Offline
              pbacot
              last edited by

              If you drew the lines yourself, next time draw them on a face, they'll be co-planar and you'll know they are connected when done. If I were to draw a one-line floor plan from scratch in SketchUp I would most likely use rectangles instead of edges and build up the shape that way. I know this doesn't help now...

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              • KathrynGK Offline
                KathrynG
                last edited by

                Actually, that is what I did originally, drew the rectangles separately, but then (and too embarrassed to ask) could not join the areas that were rectangles to each other to form one piece of geometry, other than that one at the top left, and darned if I know how I managed to do that.


                Screen Shot 2018-08-03 at 3.49.31 pm.png

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                • R Offline
                  rv1974
                  last edited by

                  Group your edges. Then inside the group use TT's edge tool to repair

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                  • KathrynGK Offline
                    KathrynG
                    last edited by

                    Did that - but the group is creating a rectangle, without the alcoves. And... I don't know how to add a face to this now? Trying... baby steps. All patience by those trying to help appreciated.


                    Screen Shot 2018-08-04 at 3.37.54 pm.png

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                    • pbacotP Offline
                      pbacot
                      last edited by

                      Try the TT plugins and you could post the file.

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                      • KathrynGK Offline
                        KathrynG
                        last edited by

                        I used TT Repair Edges - and it gave me the rectangle without the alcoves. Attaching the base file.


                        Social Hall Plan copy.skp

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                        • Dave RD Offline
                          Dave R
                          last edited by

                          Kathryn, you've got sets of edges for the perimeter of the space wrapped up in groups so their edges won't be included with the loose geometry for the rest of the perimeter. I've selected a couple of those groups for the screen shot. I also made copies of those groups so you can see what geometry they include. There are more of them, though.
                          Screenshot - 8_4_2018 , 3_50_13 PM.png

                          ALL of the edges have to be in the same context.

                          There are places where you have parallel edges that are very close together. Those need to be cleaned up. Zoom in tight to see them. One of those edges is shown selected. There's an edge parallel to that one in the group to the right as you can see in the copy of the group.

                          Screenshot - 8_4_2018 , 3_53_49 PM.png

                          There's a gap at the corner above the cursor.
                          Screenshot - 8_4_2018 , 3_57_48 PM.png

                          Once you explode the groups, try triple clicking with the Select tool on edges around the preimeter. You'll easily see which edges are connected to the one you are clicking on.

                          Explode the unnecessary group and clean up the edges, get rid of the gaps and you should be able to complete the face.

                          There are enough artifacts and bad spots in this so far, I would be inclined to start fresh rather than trying to track down all the issues.

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                          • pbacotP Offline
                            pbacot
                            last edited by

                            What Dave said. A lot of the alcove edges are grouped so they can't be part of the face. I ungrouped and regrouped just the edges I wanted in a component. Still that wasn't enough--the lower right corner was several edges that had to be redrawn cleanly. Then drawing / tracing rectangles for the main section and the alcoves fixed most of it (you can tell by removing the extra edge at each alcove. However the bottom edge alcoves are unfixable I think, and should be redrawn. Any attempt to trace over the alcoves doesn't make them become part of the center rectangle. Sometimes the re-draw is faster than trying to find a panacea.

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                            • KathrynGK Offline
                              KathrynG
                              last edited by

                              I know gentlemen - it's a total mess, and which is why I was tempted to just redraw the darn thing, but sometimes taking the easy way out does not contribute to a learning experience. I will however do just that. Thank you all for your patience and help.

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