A few thoughts about the future of this planet
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@futurepast said:
You have the forces on one side
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-phony-war-against-co2-1477955418
vs. The forces on the other
http://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/the-phony-war-against-co2-the-wall-street-journal-rodney-nichols-harrison-schmitt/To put it another way, any methane molecule released today is 100 times more heat-trapping than a molecule of carbon dioxide, or potentially even higher according to NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
With the UN establishing various tipping points for irreversible climate change damage on the horizon, it’s time that methane enters mainstream consideration.but they are not all arguing with fact.
However statistics show that for food value, calories etc./ per carbon footprint animal products compare well with vegetables. At least I only remember the carbon footprint part... I wonder if the study has taken in account all climate impact, including methane.
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There were these three farmers that wanted to win the state fair contest for having the largest pig. They decide that they should stick a cork in the pigs arse and feed him for a month before the fair. The only problem was that none of them wanted to be the one to stick the cork in. So they bought a monkey and trained him to stick corks in bottles. After a week or two of this, they stick the monkey in the pen with the pig and a cork, and after a minute, the monkey did what he was supposed to do. The farmers fed the pig for a month and sure enough, they won first prize. Once they got home, they realized they still had to take the cork out. So they trained this same monkey to take corks out of bottles. They stuck the monkey in the pen with the pig, and the farmers woke up three days later in the hospital with a reporter sitting next to them. The reporter asked the first farmer, "What is the last thing you remember?" "Shit flying everywhere," the farmer replied. The reporter asked the second farmer the same question and got the same response. When she got to the third farmer and asked him what he could remember, he was laughing hysterically. The reporter asked, "What's the matter? What is so funny about being buried in pig shit" The farmer replied, "You shoulda seen the monkey trying to stick the cork back in."
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Sorry to hear you were feeling down on your milestone birthday, Baz! Gee 65; I hope I get there....
Forget the puppy or cat; head down and guzzle a few beers at Pony Fish Island bar my fav when I come down to Melbourne. For those of you who don't know Pony Fish is a bar built on the pier of a footbridge over the Yarra river.
And if the sea levels rise just walk back up to the bridge.....
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With every disaster comes an opportunity.....
.....if sea levels rise substantially, someone who owns a property 2 streets back from the beach might eventually have a beachside property and the property value will increase...!!
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@gareth said:
With every disaster comes an opportunity.....
.....if sea levels rise substantially, someone who owns a property 2 streets back from the beach might eventually have a beachside property and the property value will increase...!!
I don't think 2 streets back will cut it though (depending on topography), and imagine the view with so many dilapidated structures in the water.
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Happy Birthday Baz and welcome to the pensioners club which I joined last year.
I think its too late to do anything about the sea level rises that are here and will continue. The only hope is to move to high ground and get on with it.
Check out how sea level rise will effect your house here, http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/
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I saw a documentary on the floods in Miami a few weeks ago. It seems the mayor of Miami is doing something about it but the Florida governor doesn't want to know about it.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=miami+flooding%26amp;qpvt=miami+flooding%26amp;FORM=VDRE
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@futurepast said:
Let’s all take a mallet and a bag of corks, and drive one up every cow’s ass!
Mike,
Its possible to collect the cow's methane and power equipment!
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To bring this back onto a more serious footing...
It is sad that some of you don't want to reproduce - just because you see that we are somehow doomed !
If you don't procreate, then the lesser enlightened human-families will continue, potentially with less-desirable results: and when the proverbial-hits-the-fan, then who will be there to try and sort out the mess ?
Your 'good' genes [and your 'nurturing'] are needed to sort out this supposed forthcoming mess [as opposed the the presumably less desired 'others'?] !
As sentient human beings we have a duty [IMHO] to leave the world a tiny bit better that when we arrived - failing that - leaving it 'no worse'.
So giving up on your 'gene-pool' is a cop-out.Mankind has always proved itself to be ingenious is overcoming problems [I admit that many of its own devising!]
Surely 'we' can 'fix things' - if we have the will ?
Politicians are clearly crap at all of this - they are not interested in the long-term - just 'tomorrow'.
The recent sea-change in elections show that the people are not stupid.The whole impending 'global-catastrophe' is perhaps over-hyped [by the media and self-interested 'experts'], but there are undeniable issues that must be addressed...
Even if you explicitly deny global-warming is 'man-made', then if we make sensible adjustments in our lifestyle it would do no harm ?I assume that none of us wants to make things worse.
But making things better [even by a tiny amount] is within everyone's grasp.
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@juju said:
@gareth said:
With every disaster comes an opportunity.....
.....if sea levels rise substantially, someone who owns a property 2 streets back from the beach might eventually have a beachside property and the property value will increase...!!
I don't think 2 streets back will cut it though (depending on topography), and imagine the view with so many dilapidated structures in the water.
yep...and that's why i carefully chose the words 'might eventually'
....certainly wouldn't help if there are rows of multi storey apartments on the beachfront though....the view wouldn't change for a very long time....!!
On a serious note, humans have a lot to answer for and if Futurepast's comments about methane are correct (and I have no reason to doubt it) it is something that should be acted on quickly.
I recently watched a documentary about some scientists here in Australia who have discovered that methane gas can be more than halved by mixing a particular type of algae with cow fodder (and much easier than using a cork...!). The next step is to find ways to commercially harvest vast quantities of the algae...!
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A belated happy B'day to you Baz.
I agree with so much of what has been written but temper this with my Trekkiness. If the human species continues to chuck female hormones into the water table we will affect the reproductive potential for more than just our own species. Politicians will not introduce a method of dealing with this because if they reduce the birth rate, pensions and health care will become luxuries out of reach for the poorer in all our nations. Take an example of London. The prices of renting and buying homes is so high that waste and recycling operatives (bin men/women) will be hard to find soon. Something like 40,000 council and lower cost homes will be lost when HS 2 is implemented, what will happen when they manage to get HS 3 into the plan I could not tell you. On top of that Heathrow airport is going to get another runway taking away whole villages. If we do not get our population under control we will become our own worst enemy. Yes, water too and food production etc etc.
Putting my Trekk head on, I do truly believe that one day we will get off our backsides, kick out the priveledged politicians who cannot find a single cheek with the combined hunting hounds stables, a sat nav, a map AND both hands. THEN we might have a chance...... Cue Star trek theme tune crossed with that of the outer limits...... -
On the topic of algae, I saw something out of the corner of my eye while surfing the web. Apparently there are some who think the blue/green algae blooms that are clogging up waterways COULD be harvested and treated as a food source, that and the Japanese plan of a few years ago where poo was recycled and re sequenced into a steak. Not sure I could afford the thing myself but whatever floats a boat.
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Well said TIG. However no matter what the small guy does as an individual, the globalists (Big Business / Banks) currently can easily counter his / her efforts and continue on as normal.
The only way individuals can make a real difference is by a collective revolution and this is happening with the movements on the ground and on the Net were they are pressurising politicians to kick out the globalists proposals.
On the ground its happened with Brexit, Trump and in Italy's recent referendum. It look like ordinary folks are finally waking up and revolting.
The Net has played a huge part in this reawakening and we had better protect it with all our might as the globalists are trying hard to control it at present.
Mike
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Asad and his ilk, we've had for some time, but looking around to these latest leaders Sisi, Duterte, IS, Le Penn, Erdogan, Putin, and now Trump. Pretty dark times if you ask me. I see these guys as one block. The rise of the right and the evil of the 30's all over again. Who's in Italy? I didn't catch that, Mussolini?
Oh and Trump is actually a clownish pawn of sorts. The devil himself is back in the White house or some "undisclosed secure location"--Cheney.
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I don't, for obvious reasons, trust the likes of Erdogan and Putin. But Trump is in a league of his own, I think. A plutocrat, sure, but far less predictable than the aformentioned tw*ts. The US are in for a bumpy ride. I'm hoping the Trump presidency, and Trumps apparent lack of both morality and responsability, won't prove to be a catalyst for widespread civil unrest and violence in the States.
As for Duterte: that man should not be president of anything.
@mike lucey said:
On the ground its happened with Brexit, Trump and in Italy's recent referendum. It look like ordinary folks are finally waking up and revolting.
Could be. The people they're siding with, though, don't have their best interests in mind, if you ask me. What's an average guy like me got to expect from, say, Trump, Farage, or that spineless jester, Boris Johnson?
All this talk about shaking things up, is all fine and dandy, but surely there's smarter ways to do so, than once again forming a mob and marching in the wake of a pied piper.
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Actually, Boris saw the writing on the wall which is why he took what seemed to be disparate views on the same topic. People may think him a clown but that is what he WANTS people to think. Underneath that mop of blond scrag is a very sharp political mind. The problem with every day folk seeing that the idiots in the EU are only plotting for their political gain rather than you and me is that we still have to rely on politics and the practitioners of said dark art. Certain leaders in the EU have been building a new nation and it has already cost countless lives. How many lives has the open boarders policy cost? How many were lost in the invasion of the Ukraine? It may not be politically acceptable here but I really think a certain amount of shove towards the Ukraine invasion was the suggestion the EU should have a standing army made up from all member nations. The Ukraine was also actively attempting to join the EU. Obviously the bigger nations would have to provide more troops and money. I will not name the crisis but a while back a nation on the Indian sub continent sent some troops as part of their agreed contributions. They were asking the nation they took over from to donate weapons and ammunition because they did not have enough to go round. Sorry but it is a factoid.
Business around the world will decide policy because they have more clout with the practitioners of the dark art and those practitioners know about bread and butter preparation. I see no alternative other than people on the ground removing those practitioners and their puppets. Time for a clean sheet.
The UN could not hold a tea party in an establishment on the high street, those same practitioners are doing just enough to help arms sales and not enough to help those who need it. If the UN is to be worth a half chewed toffee it must take action to safeguard people in their own homes and nations. Until then we will have defenceless PEOPLE like you and me in an open boat hoping their children do not die trying to get to safety.
Perhaps this is the time of year and what is going on in the name of a deity I do not understand or believe in and perhaps it is thoughts of my family members that I have lost over the last five years. Or I am just tired and fed up like all of you.
In 1990 there was another event of senseless slaughter. The UK government which had reduced defence spending had failed to notice that its plans and policies were not meshing (Joined up thinking,a government?). The TA could only be forced to deploy in a NATO led action so they went on television during the news to ask for volunteers. Quite a lot of us who were outside of our reserve period volunteered. Organisation was absent and as someone who had organised inoculation programs myself and knew how to run them I should know. They deliberately denied access to the batch numbers and expiry date of the various doses and delivered these doses randomly. failing to observe international guidelines and good practice. These were found to be unfit for human use in about 50% of the doses held back for later testing but seeing that we had no evidence of the dose identities used could not prove they cause our illnesses. Sounds like a coincidence?
If what we did had ended up with easing the suffering of the people involved over there myself and others could see something positive and have a sense of closure. The result we see now on the news. Practitioners of the dark arts helping sales and helping kill innocent people across the world. Those people I risked my life to help happened to be Muslims but as far as I am concerned they were people who needed some help and protection so that they could be safe in their own homes and schools etc. What a bloody waste -
I am going to explain what I was getting at with this addendum, the people who can make real change are the same dark arts practitioners I have mentioned already. These people cannot sort simple problems so what hope is there that planet wide issues will get resolution worthy of the name. If we can get the small and local family of all groups working together we have a chance. My faith say's it will, I just have to keep believing, despite everything and that is bloody hard.
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@mike amos said:
Actually, Boris saw the writing on the wall which is why he took what seemed to be disparate views on the same topic. People may think him a clown but that is what he WANTS people to think. Underneath that mop of blond scrag is a very sharp political mind.
Oh, I agree he only plays the fool. But that doesn't stop me from thinking that Johnson, first and foremost, is a cynic with a penchant for self-promotion. Boris first, morality second, the common good ... Well, to hell with that. As far as the man's involvement in the so-called Brexit is concerned, allow me to quote The Jam's 'The Eton Rifles': What a catalyst you turned out to be: loaded the guns, then you run off home for your tea.
What a coward.Yuck.
@mike amos said:
How many lives has the open boarders policy cost?
The EU needs work, that I agree upon. Yet, as such, it is the single most succesful peace building project Europe has ever seen. We should think twice before we do away with it.
@mike amos said:
Those people I risked my life to help happened to be Muslims but as far as I am concerned they were people who needed some help and protection so that they could be safe in their own homes and schools etc.
Hear, hear. All the current talk of terrorism, 'waves of' refugees and whatnot has made quite a few of us lose sight of something absolutely essential: you help those in need. The staunch refusal to do so, in my opinion, is nothing less than vilely immoral. Where I live, the mighty Kingdom of Belgium, it is punishable by law to knowingly refuse help to those in harm's way. And rightly so. Yet, as a country, that is precisely what we do, more often than not. I find that mind-boggling, and repulsive.
Equally repulsive: right-wing, nationalist politicians abusing the widespread suffering in, say, Syria to propel themselves upward in the polls. Sycophant leeches, the lot of them.
Ooooh, I'm on a roll.
Here's a pic to lighten the mood:
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A lot of this seem to be getting bogged down in details.
The fact of the matter is: The fucking Planet is damaged now.
Good facts: Planet stuffed by 2200. (75 years). For many reasons.
Bad facts: Glacial melting will release so much Methane in the next 10 years that the Ozone Layer will essentially collapse. (Extinction by drought will be the main cause).
C'mon Guys. Acknowledge the truth even though you cannot see a way fwd.
Twitter:
"If enuf peoploe can unnerstan what is comin, an go and find themsels somewhere safe, wont make a bit of difference. cos survivalist culture wont work if you cant breathe. in a desert".
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