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    • medeekM Offline
      medeek
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      Just as a word of warning this plugin is far from a polished or finished product. There are still a lot of loose ends that need tying up. Case in point I have not yet enabled gable end trusses for the attic truss type. The reason is the complication of dropping the top chord for structural outlookers where the attic truss has a spliced top chord. Below is an example of a attic truss with a dropped top chord that I have encountered in the past but I don't know if this is the best method of handling this situation.

      http://design.medeek.com/images/slideshow/ROOF_STAIRWELL_ASSEMBLY_1024.jpg

      I would like to enable structural outlookers for attic trusses in the next few days just to wrap this up. Any thoughts or suggestions or examples of similar configurations are very much appreciated.

      Postscript: It may not be totally clear but the gable end truss is the one with all of the vertical members (nearest the viewer) in this isometric view. Note that the outlookers are oriented vertically in this particular case, partly due to an approx. 4' backspan over a stairwell. If the same top chord depth is maintained over the diagonal portion of the attic then the dropped top chord will be lower than the other common trusses in this segment of the attic. This will complicate the framing of the end wall slightly but should not prove to be an insurmountable problem.

      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
      Medeek Engineering Inc
      design.medeek.com

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      • medeekM Offline
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        To further clarify the framing details with regards to attic trusses and structural outlookers I've created a sample model with a proposed dropped top chord gable end attic truss:

        http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su104_800.jpg

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        I've also included the infill wall framing to help put everything into reference (light green).

        Is this the appropriate way to frame an attic truss (gable end) with structural outlookers?

        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
        Medeek Engineering Inc
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        • medeekM Offline
          medeek
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          The reason I provide the full attic opening at the gable end truss is so that the framed in wall can be the nominal ext. wall thickness of 5.5 inches and allow for R-21 insulation. I've had some truss plants provide the typical vert. webs for nailing off the sheathing over this space but then one has to fir it all out anyways to get the appropriate wall thickness for the insulation.

          If the wall below the gable end truss is sufficient for bearing then the gable end truss really does not need to have any structural capability so all of the diagonal webs can go away. One could also get away with a 2x4 dropped top chord with the stacked top chord at the eaves as shown. It would make sense to have the same depth at the bottom chord though so that the floor sheathing has a convenient nailing surface right to the edge of the building.

          Alternatively one could do away with the gable end truss entirely and just balloon frame the wall from the ground floor up or from the attic floor up.

          The question is which method should be employed within the plugin. I would prefer to use the most commonly employed solution.

          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
          Medeek Engineering Inc
          design.medeek.com

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          • medeekM Offline
            medeek
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            The gable end truss as shown is structural, just to clarify. I will probably go with what I have shown as modeled unless there are any objections.

            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
            Medeek Engineering Inc
            design.medeek.com

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            • medeekM Offline
              medeek
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              Six possible end details for a flat truss (Pratt 4 panels), there are probably others but these seem to be the most common:

              http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su105_800.jpg

              1.) Mansard w/ Parapet
              2.) Parapet
              3.) Mansard
              4.) Overhang
              5.) Cantilever
              6.) None

              Both Mansard configurations can also have an optional overhang as shown. The Parapet configuration should allow for customizing the thickness of the parapet wall.

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              This truss type with its many end configurations would work well with an HTML UI, that is the direction I will be going with future user inputs and interfaces since the ability to customize is unlimited.

              With the flat trusses I will initially offer both Howe and Pratt with the ability to utilize a low slope or zero slope.

              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
              Medeek Engineering Inc
              design.medeek.com

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              • medeekM Offline
                medeek
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                Version 1.4.8 - 04.01.2016

                • Added Mod Fan common truss type.
                • Structural outlookers (vert. & horz.) enabled under advanced roof options for Common (Mod Fan) truss type.

                http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su106_800.jpg

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                With the addition of the Mod Fan (Triple Fan) the line up of common trusses is complete. I still need to add in raised heels and structural outlookers for some of the configurations.

                Theoretically I could add in additional configurations of the Fink and Howe truss types for extremely large roofs but the largest I've ever seen is a raised heel Quad Fink (10/9). Large spans beyond 70'-80' are probably not practical as far as a single span common truss roof. At that point you pretty much go with large flat roofs with interior columns and girders and all steel construction (think Walmart or Cosco).

                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                Medeek Engineering Inc
                design.medeek.com

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                • medeekM Offline
                  medeek
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                  Tray truss algorithm:

                  http://design.medeek.com/resources/truss/GEOMETRY/TRAY1_800.jpg

                  A more complex algorithm would be required for a non-centered tray.

                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                  design.medeek.com

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                  • medeekM Offline
                    medeek
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                    Tray Trusses working now I just need to enable gable ends and advanced options:

                    http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su107_800.jpg

                    Note the three large trusses are all 36' span with different tray widths and different web triangulations.

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                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                    Medeek Engineering Inc
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                    • medeekM Offline
                      medeek
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                      More configurations:

                      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su108_800.jpg

                      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                      Medeek Engineering Inc
                      design.medeek.com

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                      • medeekM Offline
                        medeek
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                        Version 1.4.9 - 04.04.2016

                        • Added Tray truss type, configurations: (AUTO).
                        • Metric input enabled for tray truss type.
                        • Added gable end trusses for tray truss type.

                        The next truss type I would like to add is the coffer truss but I don't have a lot of good examples or shop drawings of this truss type. Any examples of a coffer truss would be most welcome.

                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                        Medeek Engineering Inc
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                        • medeekM Offline
                          medeek
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                          Version 1.5.0 - 04.11.2016

                          • Added Mono Scissor truss type, configurations: (2/2, 3/3).
                          • Metric input enabled for mono scissor truss type.
                          • Added gable end trusses for mono scissor truss type.
                          • Structural outlookers (vert. & horz.) enabled under advanced roof options for Mono Scissor (2/2, 3/3) truss types.

                          http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su110_800.jpg

                          When the raised heel option is selected the pitch of the bottom chord may equal the top chord creating a half vaulted parallel chord truss.

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                          Raised heels are also enabled for this truss type, the combination of structural outlookers (vert & horz.) with the raised heel (wedge, slider, vert) makes for some interesting combinations and for some challenging logic/programming in order to get it all right.

                          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                          Medeek Engineering Inc
                          design.medeek.com

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                          • medeekM Offline
                            medeek
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                            Updating the hip roof module so that an appropriate wireframe is displayed while using the roof positioning tool:

                            http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su111_800.jpg

                            I will roll a revision once I've finished updating all of the rafter roof types with updated wireframes (preview graphics).

                            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                            Medeek Engineering Inc
                            design.medeek.com

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                              thanks!

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                                Version 1.5.1 - 04.16.2016

                                • Added Dutch Gable Rafter Roof (all advanced options enabled).
                                • Added wireframe (temporary) graphics to the roof positioning tool for rafter roofs.

                                http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su112_800.jpg

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                                I still need to setup ceiling joists for hip and dutch gable roofs.

                                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                Medeek Engineering Inc
                                design.medeek.com

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                                • medeekM Offline
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                                  A nested dutch gable roof created with the plugin. The roof is initially generated by creating three dutch gable primitives and then deleting and trimming certain elements. The most time consuming is the creation of the two valley rafters. I think it might be helpful to have some sort of valley rafter tool if I can figure out a good way of doing that.

                                  http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su113_800.jpg

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                                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                  Medeek Engineering Inc
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                                    Looking at the half hip roof next. Fairly cut and dried but I'm a little undecided how to handle the birdsmouths cut of the hip rafter where it intersects the discontinuity of the gable wall. I will probably use the same birdsmouth cut on the half hip rafters as the other common rafters of the roof.

                                    http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su114_800.jpg

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                                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                    Medeek Engineering Inc
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                                      • medeekM Offline
                                        medeek
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                                        Per user request:

                                        Version 1.5.2 - 04.18.2016

                                        • Added energy/raised heels for small span attic trusses (less than 24 ft.), 1 variant: vertical w/ strut.
                                        • Added some additional logic to improve the triangulation of the upper attic of attic trusses.

                                        http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su115_800.jpg

                                        When I get some more time I will add in slider and wedge raised heel options for the attic truss type but at that moment it is low priority since most users seem to favor a fairly tall raised heel when utilizing it with attic trusses.

                                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                        Medeek Engineering Inc
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                                        • medeekM Offline
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                                          I have been giving some thought to dormers and how to specify them. Below is a dormer design I framed in Solidworks a few years back for a garage design:

                                          http://design.medeek.com/images/MISC/GARAGE4828-A6D-3_DORMER1.jpg

                                          http://design.medeek.com/images/slideshow/GARAGE4828-A6D-3_FRAMING5_1024.jpg

                                          Of course the numerous ways in which one could frame a dormer is probably beyond the scope of this discussion but I would like to consider what geometry needs to be determined in order to orient and size the dormer.

                                          After some thought I think the following points, planes and lengths would define the geometry of a typical dormer:

                                          1.) Main Roof Plane
                                          2.) Attic Floor Plane
                                          3.) Offset from exterior wall below (how far the dormer is out of plane from the ext. wall below).
                                          4.) Pitch of Dormer roof
                                          5.) Dormer width
                                          6.) Dormer height (distance from attic floor plane to top plate of dormer wall)
                                          7.) Window width, height, and header depth
                                          8.) Dormer wall thickness (2x4 or 2x6)
                                          9.) Dormer rafter depth
                                          10.) Position of Dormer along length of building

                                          Items 2,3 and 10 can be combined into a single point selection.

                                          Revisiting this I think the location of the dormer can be established with the selection of two points and a plane (main roof plane), the rest of the parameters will be UI.

                                          Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                          Medeek Engineering Inc
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                                            Version 1.5.3 - 04.20.2016

                                            • Added Mono Cathedral truss type, configurations: (2/2, 4/4).
                                            • Metric input enabled for mono cathedral truss type.
                                            • Added gable end trusses for mono cathedral truss type.
                                            • Structural outlookers (vert. & horz.) enabled under advanced roof options for Mono Cathedral (2/2, 4/4) truss types.
                                            • Added Mono Scissor truss type, configuration: (4/4).

                                            http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/truss_su116_800.jpg

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                                            I manually modeled this truss type about two months ago and I have been meaning to add it in, finally got it done tonight.

                                            Manually created model here:

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