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    • pilouP Offline
      pilou
      last edited by

      So 0.000 102 mm3 missing on 1 000 000 000 mm3 ! 😄

      ps
      And how many number are available before the numeric decimal point for landscape? 😄
      Seems lost precision and pedal : a number is added after
      123456789012345680000.000000mm for 123456789012345678901mm or more ENTER
      (tested on radius circle)

      http://www.silicon.fr/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Plume-©-Alexander-Potapov-Fotolia.com_.jpg

      Frenchy Pilou
      Is beautiful that please without concept!
      My Little site :)

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      • fredo6F Offline
        fredo6
        last edited by

        Interesting discussion.

        For info, I just publish a rudimentary version of a plugin, FredoTools::SolidVolume, which computes the volume of the solids in the current selection (solids as groups or component instances).

        It gives the same result regardless of the orientation of faces in the solids and their position in the model.

        For the time being, it just display a messagebox with the volume in various units.

        SolidVolume Results.png
        I this is of interest I can later derive a more advanced version with choice of units and interactive selection, similar to what I did for areas with FredoTools::ReportLabelArea.

        Fredo

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        • pilouP Offline
          pilou
          last edited by

          Cool! 😎
          And about the M2 surfaces faces?
          No possibility to add this inside this one?

          Frenchy Pilou
          Is beautiful that please without concept!
          My Little site :)

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          • srxS Offline
            srx
            last edited by

            Thank you Fredo! You are my hero! 😄 This should be incorporated in Sketchup 2016 to prevent people for making mistakes in calculations..In the meantime we have Fredo Sketchup.

            www.saurus.rs

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            • Wo3DanW Offline
              Wo3Dan
              last edited by

              @fredo6 said:

              ......I this is of interest I can later derive a more advanced version with choice of units and interactive selection, similar to what I did for areas with FredoTools::ReportLabelArea.Fredo

              It would be nice to be able to make your own selection of multiple solids to obtain the sum of volumes. And with unit of choice! And without differences in volume due to location!

              Although I do believe that solids with all back faces outwards should be considered as negative. (also see previous post by TIG).
              A mixture of front and back faces in a single shell should result in a warning.

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              • fredo6F Offline
                fredo6
                last edited by

                I published SolidVolume 1.1, which handles also faces area of the solid and allow to navigate in the selection, manually or via the outliner. It also works when the selection includes several solids, either independent or embedded in groups / components.

                Mixed back and front faces in a solid should give the same volume value as if all faces were correctly oriented outward.

                Fredo

                SolidVolume discrepencies.gif

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                • pilouP Offline
                  pilou
                  last edited by

                  Excelent to have Volume + Surface ! Bravo!

                  If this bug(?) is proved maybe will be useful to apply a correction factor ?

                  Try also with this volume on the left! 😉

                  Frenchy Pilou
                  Is beautiful that please without concept!
                  My Little site :)

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                  • fredo6F Offline
                    fredo6
                    last edited by

                    Pilou,

                    On your model, it looks like Sketchup has a problem in computing the aggregate volume of the walls (41.5 m3) and the small cube (1 m3) when reversed. It counts the cube negatively, so the total is 40.5 m3. SolidVolume counts evrything positively, so the aggregate volume is 42.5 m3.

                    Fredo

                    Pilou model Volume.png

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                    • pilouP Offline
                      pilou
                      last edited by

                      And about big moving on the space does that change measures ?

                      Frenchy Pilou
                      Is beautiful that please without concept!
                      My Little site :)

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                      • kenK Offline
                        ken
                        last edited by

                        Fredo6

                        Attached is a file with two boxes. One was created with sdmitch "Rotated Box" plugin, the other using the rectangle tool in Sketchup. Note there is a difference with your program showing the volume.

                        I can't see why the volumes would be this far off.


                        Volumes.skp

                        Fight like your the third monkey on Noah's Ark gangway.

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                        • fredo6F Offline
                          fredo6
                          last edited by

                          @Ken,

                          I also fixed this one, thanks for signaling.

                          New release in FredoTools v2.7d

                          Fredo

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                          • kenK Offline
                            ken
                            last edited by

                            fredo6

                            Thanks that did the trick.

                            Ken

                            Note, volume isn't everything, I require the weight of a filled container. I have taken one of TIG's volume plugin and added the math to determine the weight of the volume; oil, water, buoyancy salt water, buoyancy fresh water, river mud, concrete, wet river gravel, and barrel of oil. Had a great time in the learning process of modifying a plugin.

                            fredo6, thanks for this plugin. And thank you TIG.

                            And not to highjack this thread, your movealong plugin is absolutely fantastic.

                            Fight like your the third monkey on Noah's Ark gangway.

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                            • fredo6F Offline
                              fredo6
                              last edited by

                              @unknownuser said:

                              Note, volume isn't everything, I require the weight of a filled container. I have taken one of TIG's volume plugin and added the math to determine the weight of the volume; oil, water, buoyancy salt water, buoyancy fresh water, river mud, concrete, wet river gravel, and barrel of oil. Had a great time in the learning process of modifying a plugin.

                              I can easily add an additional section to give the weight for a number of materials in several units.

                              Fredo

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                              • kenK Offline
                                ken
                                last edited by

                                fredo6

                                Thank you for the offer, however I believe that would be a lot of work that wouldn't be of use to most Sketchup user. To give you an idea of my list:

                                Barrels of Oil (Note there is only 42 gallons)
                                lbs Steel (A36)
                                lbs SS304
                                lbs Brass
                                lbs Aluminum
                                lbs zinc
                                lbs Lead
                                lbs Gravel Wet
                                lbs River Mud
                                lbs Sand Water
                                FW buoyany 62.4 lbs/cuft - Fresh Water
                                SW buoyancy 64.1 lb/cuft - Salt Water
                                lbs Crude oil

                                This list has been modified or added to as required. So I don't see how a set list would cover all the variables. Now a user input section would be nice, if it held the variables between sessions. Still a lot of work for a very few.

                                On another note, if you look at the image, you will see that the bottom part of your form is not being displayed. Maybe the box should be a little taller.


                                Image 1.png

                                Fight like your the third monkey on Noah's Ark gangway.

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                                • pilouP Offline
                                  pilou
                                  last edited by

                                  The free fabulous Designspark Mechanical (SpaceClaim Light) has this inside its library as Volumic Mass 😉
                                  (my French Page(s) about this SU on Steroïds 😉
                                  designsparks.jpg

                                  Frenchy Pilou
                                  Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                  My Little site :)

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                                  • fredo6F Offline
                                    fredo6
                                    last edited by

                                    @unknownuser said:

                                    Thank you for the offer, however I believe that would be a lot of work that wouldn't be of use to most Sketchup user.

                                    Just a reasonable work, in hours, to add the feature with a custom editable list.

                                    @unknownuser said:

                                    On another note, if you look at the image, you will see that the bottom part of your form is not being displayed. Maybe the box should be a little taller.

                                    I fixed the problem in Fredotools v2.7e.

                                    Fredo

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