Finally gone back(i mean forward) to a PC!
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@andybot said:
good grief! I'm talking about a single cpu box kind of like what Oli got. I'd never get a workstation like that to sit in a render farm...
I guess you'll just going on not knowing anything about PC's like I don't know anything about macs and we can call it a day
i think it was more of a difference in our interpretation of 'render farm'..
to me, spending a thousand dollars for a quad core render farm in which you'll get a render back in 2hrs as opposed to 4 hrs is a complete waste of money no matter what manufacturer we're talking about.. especially when considering that with the right software, and a few hundred bucks on a gpu, you'll get your 4hr render back in 10minutes.. and this is only going to get faster and more common.
or just use a render farm service.. still going to be cheaper & faster doing it that way. -
2 pence,
my day job is in the UK Special Effects Industry, and most the Visual Effects companies I've worked with in the last 20yrs have been using mac's for their render farms, replacing their ancient Silicon Graphics machines...
a cluster of 1000 mac mini's doesn't take up much space, but a lot of them use mac book pro's or iMac's and watch live previews on each machine [ particularly on location ]...In SFX nearly all the engineers use PC's, but they almost never render...
In Design Dept's mac's appear ahead, same goes for Lighting, Props and Production [more recently this includes Accounts]...
Very few people remain loyal to an OS when their boss uses the other...
many people have both, and change hats per film...
SU is making inroads, slowly...
john
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Talking about Oli's new PC.
sorry… lol
Any advices about a new decent mouse? A decent desktop mouse, not these gamer's mice with 40 buttons, I mean.
My Logitech old (from 2006) G5 is almost dead. This USB wired with the weights you know. Loved it. -
@michaliszissiou said:
Talking about Oli's new PC.
sorry… lol
Any advices about a new decent mouse? A decent desktop mouse, not these gamer's mice with 40 buttons, I mean.
My Logitech old (from 2006) G5 is almost dead. This USB wired with the weights you know. Loved it. -
@driven said:
a cluster of 1000 mac mini's doesn't take up much space,
here's what 160 racked mac minis look like:
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well, I stand corrected. When I make a bazillion dollars freelancing, I'll get some goldplated mutha effin macs.
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@jeff hammond said:
especially when considering that with the right software, and a few hundred bucks on a gpu, you'll get your 4hr render back in 10minutes.. and this is only going to get faster and more common.
yes, does seem to be where it's headed. I'll agree with you there.
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@andybot said:
well, I stand corrected. When I make a bazillion dollars freelancing, I'll get some goldplated mutha effin macs.
they're not that expensivei needed a new desktop last year.. (the mac pro being replaced was from 2006.. still runs fine.. just can't run newer OS`s so can't run newer apps.. ie- sketchup 2015 won't run on it)..
i also needed a new display.
i bought an additional 16GB ram from crucial for $140..so for not quite $2500, i have:
i7 quad @ 3.5GHz
nvidia w/4GB vram
24 GB ram
3TB fusion drive (which is 128GB ssd combined with 3TB spinner)
and a really nice 27" displaythis thing will be fine for at least 4 years.. (i mean, my old desktop was fine for 8 years so i'm pretty sure the iMac will last at least 4 years)..
so, that's $50/month if i replace after 4years.. i really don't understand the "oh, those things are soo expensive "... my internet service costs more than $50/month, you know?
how much is a comparable pc going to cost? (plug&play -- not frankengeek)
if it's $800 or something then yeah, you all may have a valid point.. if it's $2000 then big deal.
(but i know it can't be $800.. the display alone for a comparable setup is going to be near that)
edit- oh.. note the RFB at the front.. that stands for refurbished.. i always by refurbs from apple.. definitely some better deals to be had when doing that instead of walking into an apple store and buying off the shelf.
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weeell, actually...
Probably in the next month or two I'm going to rebuild my main workstation with an i7-5930k (6 core 3.5Ghz), and have been saving a wishlist on Newegg. So far my total is just over $1k (CPU, motherboard, 16GB RAM, heatsink), but I still need to add in a solid state drive. I bought a budget workstation with a 6 core AMD four years ago for just under $1k. I already have a nice 24" IPS monitor, so no need for a new display (hoping that lasts me many more years.)
It's just a lot easier to make a budget go farther when there's so much more choice in components, and I can keep re-using my tower and PSU, drives, etc. -
@andybot said:
weeell, actually...
Probably in the next month or two I'm going to rebuild my main workstation with an i7-5930k (6 core 3.5Ghz), and have been saving a wishlist on Newegg. So far my total is just over $1k (CPU, motherboard, 16GB RAM, heatsink), but I still need to add in a solid state drive. I bought a budget workstation with a 6 core AMD four years ago for just under $1k. I already have a nice 24" IPS monitor, so no need for a new display (hoping that lasts me many more years.)
It's just a lot easier to make a budget go farther when there's so much more choice in components, and I can keep re-using my tower and PSU, drives, etc.you're talking about upgrading an existing computer.. why people think it's not possible to upgrade mac desktops is beyond me.
also, for the build your own crowd, that comparison to a mac doesn't make sense either because you can hackintosh the thing.. the same components etc that you're saving sooo much money on will run windows or osx..
not sure why it's so difficult to get the point across that a mac is an exact computer.. just like a dell or hp.. go to dell, configure the thing, then plug it in and go to town.. that's what a macintosh is..
if you want to build your own then build your own.. install osx on it if you want.. install windows on it.. doesn't matter.. but it's not an apple branded computer just like it's not a dell or asus or hp..
do you get the point? your $1k upgrade can be a hackintosh or a computer that runs windows..
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You can't hackintosh any component you want. Only a few are compatible.
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@jiminy-billy-bob said:
You can't hackintosh any component you want. Only a few are compatible.
i think it's a lot more than 'a few' but building a hackintosh isn't the point anyway (nor would i personally ever build one)
the point is- if you're going to go on some tirade about how expensive macs are, at least make the proper comparisons..
like oli took a 6-core mac pro (which are base $3500), said he added a mouse, an extended warranty, a screen, and a bit more ram and presto, you're at $12,000
then compares this mac pro with its workstation grade components to his quad gaming rig claiming how macs are 5x more expensive??
this is just dumb.. sorry
nowhere do you see me saying apple computers are cheaper than other brands.. that's not what i'm trying to say.. what i am saying is that they're not insanely priced relatively speaking and they're actually quite competitive price wise.
maybe you guys don't realize it but it's pretty insulting when you sit around insinuating mac users are a bunch of rich assholes buying stupid shiny toys while anyone serious about using a computer or needing to get any real work done is obviously using the much much cheaper and much more powerful windows computer.. it's lame and it's false.
and hey, i don't have much of the problem with the insults themselves.. especially because they're not even true.. my griping is more about pointing out if you're going to make a bunch of idiotic comparisons (or lies even) or misconceptions, at least understand it for what it is (an idiotic comparison)
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Jeff I give in. I am going to buy a mac.
Then burn it.
FYI it was actually Rich who changed the thread title.
Don't take it so personally man, I've been using Apple for years and finally gave up. My money my choice. Simples.
They don't call it the PC Master Race for nothing you know?
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You can now run Verve!
Have happy painting!
And flowers power for all systems!
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@jeff hammond said:
do you get the point? your $1k upgrade can be a hackintosh or a computer that runs windows..
Jeff, hackintosh, really? Now you're stretching
For all that I'd just install Linux -
@andybot said:
@jeff hammond said:
do you get the point? your $1k upgrade can be a hackintosh or a computer that runs windows..
Jeff, hackintosh, really? Now you're stretching
For all that I'd just install Linux stretching what?
I'm just wondering how much a similarly spec'd hp vs mac costs.
hp is the hottest seller pc, right?
surely someone can tell me how much money I'd of saved if buying my config from them instead of apple..the way you all keep talking, seems like not only would I have saved all my cash, hp would have given me some money along with my free computer.
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no, my point being there's a cost to buying apple products that is not purely justified by base line performance.
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@olishea said:
Jeff I give in. I am going to buy a mac.
Then burn it.
FYI it was actually Rich who changed the thread title.
Don't take it so personally man, I've been using Apple for years and finally gave up. My money my choice. Simples.
They don't call it the PC Master Race for nothing you know?
Yes and our holy prophet (profit?) Saint Jobs told us all about the PC Master Race way back in '84.
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@andybot said:
no, my point being there's a cost to buying apple products that is not purely justified by base line performance.
well i decided to see myself and i think just going to the apple site vs trying to navigate hp's site is worth any extra cost of the computers
it doesn't seem like you can spec out one of their all in ones as a cad machine (2.2ghz was the fastest cpu offered in those).. so the desktop which is similarly configured as my iMac is this:
it's entirely arguable what a similar display would be as the iMac but i think this one is probably similar a 27" 2560x1440.. not the cheapest and not the priciest:
i'm pretty sure this is a fair comparison, component wise - agree?
so it's ~$2300 for the pc setup vs the ~$2450 i spent on my iMac..**
maybe i'm not thrifty enough but i really don't see much of a difference there.. but maybe that's just me..
regardless, for the third time (i'll just copy/paste this time)--
"""nowhere do you see me saying apple computers are cheaper than other brands.. that's not what i'm trying to say.. what i am saying is that they're not insanely priced relatively speaking and they're actually quite competitive price wise."""
**granted, i'm comparing a refurb mac to a full price hp.. i saved around $500 off normal price with the refurb.
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since this is the corner bar, I'll keep going. You still are missing the point. I'm willing to trade the convenience of a one-stop-shop for the reduced cost of building my own boxes. I can get a much more powerful (and overclockable) computer for significantly less cost. It would be just as pointless for me to shop on the HP site as it would be for me to shop at the apple site.
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