Finally gone back(i mean forward) to a PC!
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Thanks numerobis, I'll get my brother to look into that. (He's the IT geek)
Thanks guys. Yeah the SSD is purely to load software, it's almost instant. I don't have a huge amount of software anyway. Just rendering and trading stuff really.
I have a 1TB hard drive for normal storage and an external network 1TB hard drive vault to save more stuff.
Did you know you can get 1TB pen drives now?!!!!! Crazy! They are very expensive though, but wow!
I'm completely done with Apple. I can't tell you how many pen drives and hard drives I've ruined by plugging them into my iMac. It has the tendency to corrupt the drives so they never work again!
It can be something as simple as forgetting to eject the drive before you unplug it. I lost 4 years worth of textures and architecture work that I had amassed onto a WD hard drive....even if I plug it into a windows PC it won't recognise the drive. Gonna have to take the hard drive out the case and plug it directly into the board with some recovery software. The data is definitely on the disc itself, I just can't see it.
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@richard said:
120GB SSD if this is your working drive is going to send you crazy mate! My biggest wish now is I had gone bigger!
But that's the beauty of a PC. If I ever need more, just take it out and bang another in! I'm not concerned, I probably won't even use half that SSD anyway.
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DESERTER!!!!
Only kidding, sounds like a beast. I hope it goes well for you.
Who was the company? And were their prices good?
Mike
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SCAN computers. Appointed to HRH don't you know.
Yes they were well priced, EXTREMELY knowledgeable and had all the parts in stock. I built it in an afternoon with my brother. The sales guy even went on the Thea website to check specs so I got the most bang for my budget.They know their stuff.
It basically worked out cheaper than any imac and probably twice as powerful. And I have 4 screens. And I can update. And I don't have to deal with Apple when it goes wrong. It's a no-brainer. Apple just can not compete with processing power.
Go into SCAN and look at the prices of the components.....Apple basically sell old components for 2-3 times what they are worth. They are that cheeky.
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Do you know when I said a Raspberry Pi is probably more powerful than my old iMac. Well, it is!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/raspberry_pi_model_2/
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Oli, if you have the time, do post your cores temps, when you render. I'm very curious about Haswell temps under that task.
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OK. Not had chance yet but I will do.
Is there a Thea test scene anywhere?
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Yeah Oli, I'm inclined to agree with you when it comes to upgradability on Macs. A person now has to decide on what ram to go for on a MBP before buying as its not possible to upgrade afterwards. Much the same with the iPhone.
Still Apple must be doing something right, Apple: what do you do after becoming the world’s most profitable company?
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/02/01/apple-what-do-you-do-after-becoming-the-worlds-most-profitable-c/It looks to me that its Apple's sealed tight system that makes the company so successful. This appeals to non techie folks, like myself to a certain extent I would add. Its the techie folks that can manage to solve the 'blue screens' of the world of Windows. There are still far more independent Windows repair shop on the scene that Apple repair shops.
I'll probably stick with Apple until I see Windows running as problem free as OS X
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Yeah OSX is pretty stable but sounds like you haven't tried a later version of Windows. It's very slick and quick. Negligible difference between mac and windows in terms of usability IMO. Apple appears "friendlier" to me. Pretty sexy looking machine too, I appreciate what they do....but that's about it. They became so successful through their excellent marketing of mobile devices; not their computers.
I believe Apple are going to fade out of desktops and laptops, pretty much concentrating all their efforts on mobile iOS it seems. My iMac feels like an oversized iPhone now anyway.
Even if a mac pro was half the price I still wouldn't get one. Doesn't even come with a keyboard! Or screen, or mouse, or anything for that matter.
And it's already outdated by the time you buy it. Plus you have to see a "genius" to fix it.I suppose this could go on forever. When it comes down to processing power, a PC will destroy Apple. Shame it took me so long to see it!
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@olishea said:
And it's already outdated by the time you buy it. Plus you have to see a "genius" to fix it.
that's not true.. the new mac pro is the most user-serviceable mac to date.. ifixit gives it an 8/10..
..you can change the ram, ssd, cpu, gpu (though it's yet to be seen what type of upgrades will become available).. nothing is soldered.. everything is very modular..Mac Pro 2013 Repair Help: Learn How to Fix It Yourself.
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imacs aren't super locked down either.. you can change drives, cpu, ram on them as well.
(fwiw)
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Yes, but they aren't geniuses. Ha. But really for some users...they just take care of you. At one point I got a next generation replacement laptop because they could no longer replace the screen on my old one (under Applecare).
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@jeff hammond said:
that's not true.. the new mac pro is the most user-serviceable mac to date.. ifixit gives it an 8/10..
..you can change the ram, ssd, cpu, gpu (though it's yet to be seen what type of upgrades will become available)..That's what I'm talking about. You can only upgrade it when they say you can, and even then, the components will be outdated and 2-3 times what they're worth. The mac pro is already outdated when you buy it, I am well aware you can service them.
And how much does it cost?
£2499 for the 4 core? (Why do they even call this a pro?)
£3299 for the 6 core?
OK, now add a bit more memory, a screen, a mouse, Apple Care.....**and hey presto you are at £8000!!!!**The price of a second hand BMW.
Sorry but impossible to justify that. My PC setup with 4 screens and more power, more speed cost me over 5 times less. Any problems, I can get it fixed same day under warranty.
I do not see any sense in buying Apple. £8000!!!!! I only added the basics! Even if you get the standard screen it's £6000!
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Oil, could you tell how are you dealing with the software platform, specially Sketchup and Thea, do you have to buy another license or pay for upgrade?
Thanks
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Yup, never seen the appeal of Macs. Got myself a very powerful self built PC for £2500. Mac don't even provide the same spec and if they did I'd have to remortgage my house.
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@olishea said:
I do not see any sense in buying Apple.
you have to do spec for spec comparisons with the mac pro next to a pc workstation.. you might be surprise when the mac is actually a bit cheaper.
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@charevir56 said:
Oil, could you tell how are you dealing with the software platform, specially Sketchup and Thea, do you have to buy another license or pay for upgrade?
Thanks
I'm buying a new SU, I have always used the free SU with dozens of plugins so never had to use the pro. Trimble also changed their rules on using the free version for commercial work. I was a die hard SU8 user, not as bad as Pilou though.
My render licenses are all transferable. Podium, Twilight and Thea that is, I don't know about other programs.
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Sorry for being so anti Apple, but if it makes you happy Jeff I'm still using my iMac for browsing the net in my bedroom!
I do get the appeal but the price is ludicrous and I've spent way too many hours sat at the genius bar or waiting for my computers to be fixed. -
@olishea said:
Sorry for being so anti Apple, but if it makes you happy Jeff I'm still using my iMac for browsing the net in my bedroom!
I do get the appeal but the price is ludicrous and I've spent way too many hours sat at the genius bar or waiting for my computers to be fixed.it's not about being anti-apple.. i'm just saying you can't price compare a mac pro to your new pc.. compare it to a similarly spec'd hp/dell workstation (xeon, dual firepros, pci-e flash, 1866ram, etc) and you'll see the mac is very competitively priced..
the mac with similar specs as your new machine is an iMac..
so your specs with a 5k display:
i just don't think you can beat that price/config in pc land..
i'm not trying to say macs are cheap.. just that they aren't crazy out-of-proportion priced when comparing to similar spec'd PCs.
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A 2GB graphics card to run a 5k monitor, haha!
Jeff are you UK based, if not you might be forgiven for not realising how badly Apple UK mark up their products from US$. -
@cadmunkey said:
A 2GB graphics card to run a 5k monitor, haha!
Jeff are you UK based, if not you might be forgiven for not realising how badly Apple UK mark up their products from US$.nope.. u.s.
and really.. i don't want to get into some crazy spec/price argument thing..
was just a little put off seeing 'macs cost 5x more than their pc counterparts'... that's either some fud, misinformed buyer, buyer justification_er, or something along these lines.
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