Finally gone back(i mean forward) to a PC!
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Yeah OSX is pretty stable but sounds like you haven't tried a later version of Windows. It's very slick and quick. Negligible difference between mac and windows in terms of usability IMO. Apple appears "friendlier" to me. Pretty sexy looking machine too, I appreciate what they do....but that's about it. They became so successful through their excellent marketing of mobile devices; not their computers.
I believe Apple are going to fade out of desktops and laptops, pretty much concentrating all their efforts on mobile iOS it seems. My iMac feels like an oversized iPhone now anyway.
Even if a mac pro was half the price I still wouldn't get one. Doesn't even come with a keyboard! Or screen, or mouse, or anything for that matter.
And it's already outdated by the time you buy it. Plus you have to see a "genius" to fix it.I suppose this could go on forever. When it comes down to processing power, a PC will destroy Apple. Shame it took me so long to see it!
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@olishea said:
And it's already outdated by the time you buy it. Plus you have to see a "genius" to fix it.
that's not true.. the new mac pro is the most user-serviceable mac to date.. ifixit gives it an 8/10..
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imacs aren't super locked down either.. you can change drives, cpu, ram on them as well.
(fwiw)
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Yes, but they aren't geniuses. Ha. But really for some users...they just take care of you. At one point I got a next generation replacement laptop because they could no longer replace the screen on my old one (under Applecare).
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@jeff hammond said:
that's not true.. the new mac pro is the most user-serviceable mac to date.. ifixit gives it an 8/10..
..you can change the ram, ssd, cpu, gpu (though it's yet to be seen what type of upgrades will become available)..That's what I'm talking about. You can only upgrade it when they say you can, and even then, the components will be outdated and 2-3 times what they're worth. The mac pro is already outdated when you buy it, I am well aware you can service them.
And how much does it cost?
£2499 for the 4 core? (Why do they even call this a pro?)
£3299 for the 6 core?
OK, now add a bit more memory, a screen, a mouse, Apple Care.....**and hey presto you are at £8000!!!!**The price of a second hand BMW.
Sorry but impossible to justify that. My PC setup with 4 screens and more power, more speed cost me over 5 times less. Any problems, I can get it fixed same day under warranty.
I do not see any sense in buying Apple. £8000!!!!! I only added the basics! Even if you get the standard screen it's £6000!
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Oil, could you tell how are you dealing with the software platform, specially Sketchup and Thea, do you have to buy another license or pay for upgrade?
Thanks
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Yup, never seen the appeal of Macs. Got myself a very powerful self built PC for £2500. Mac don't even provide the same spec and if they did I'd have to remortgage my house.
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@olishea said:
I do not see any sense in buying Apple.
you have to do spec for spec comparisons with the mac pro next to a pc workstation.. you might be surprise when the mac is actually a bit cheaper.
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@charevir56 said:
Oil, could you tell how are you dealing with the software platform, specially Sketchup and Thea, do you have to buy another license or pay for upgrade?
Thanks
I'm buying a new SU, I have always used the free SU with dozens of plugins so never had to use the pro. Trimble also changed their rules on using the free version for commercial work. I was a die hard SU8 user, not as bad as Pilou though.
My render licenses are all transferable. Podium, Twilight and Thea that is, I don't know about other programs.
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Sorry for being so anti Apple, but if it makes you happy Jeff I'm still using my iMac for browsing the net in my bedroom!
I do get the appeal but the price is ludicrous and I've spent way too many hours sat at the genius bar or waiting for my computers to be fixed. -
@olishea said:
Sorry for being so anti Apple, but if it makes you happy Jeff I'm still using my iMac for browsing the net in my bedroom!
I do get the appeal but the price is ludicrous and I've spent way too many hours sat at the genius bar or waiting for my computers to be fixed.it's not about being anti-apple.. i'm just saying you can't price compare a mac pro to your new pc.. compare it to a similarly spec'd hp/dell workstation (xeon, dual firepros, pci-e flash, 1866ram, etc) and you'll see the mac is very competitively priced..
the mac with similar specs as your new machine is an iMac..
so your specs with a 5k display:
i just don't think you can beat that price/config in pc land..
i'm not trying to say macs are cheap.. just that they aren't crazy out-of-proportion priced when comparing to similar spec'd PCs.
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A 2GB graphics card to run a 5k monitor, haha!
Jeff are you UK based, if not you might be forgiven for not realising how badly Apple UK mark up their products from US$. -
@cadmunkey said:
A 2GB graphics card to run a 5k monitor, haha!
Jeff are you UK based, if not you might be forgiven for not realising how badly Apple UK mark up their products from US$.nope.. u.s.
and really.. i don't want to get into some crazy spec/price argument thing..
was just a little put off seeing 'macs cost 5x more than their pc counterparts'... that's either some fud, misinformed buyer, buyer justification_er, or something along these lines.
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tried same config on appstore it comes to 3 503,865 us$ in France.
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@jeff hammond said:
i just don't think you can beat that price/config in pc land..
If you want a all-in-one aluminium computer, sure...
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@jiminy-billy-bob said:
@jeff hammond said:
i just don't think you can beat that price/config in pc land..
If you want a all-in-one aluminium computer, sure...
But if you go for a regular desktop workstation, you can pretty much half that price.with a 5k display?
that 5k iMac is almost 'buy the display and get the computer for free'
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@unknownuser said:
But that's the beauty of a PC. If I ever need more, just take it out and bang another in! I'm not concerned, I probably won't even use half that SSD anyway.
Excuse me?
Oh I see, you never learned Oli, to keep a distance from anything starts with an "i". (iMacs, itunes, ipods, ipads, i anything)
I upgraded my Macpro so many times. Far away from apple stores.
A six years old dualXeon (16 threads), still on top on many benchmark tests among blender - (cycles rendering) users.
Much more ram (and faster) costing 10% of what apple was asking for), much better GPU (I won't comment the cost LOL)
Never used an apple mouse (logitech G**** always, the extended mac keyboard is great though)
Dell displays … and of course boot camp, not an emulator for Windows.Now, the only you could do, go for a Hacintosh scenario, in case you gonna miss OSX. It perfectly works, you know.
Or, for a Linux install, you may wish to have three OSs on your system. Serious renderers run 30% faster under LInux and OSX, you know. See benchmarks.Well, you have a new machine, with an SSD, of course it runs faster.
Don't come close to a new macpro though. It will give you something to thing about. (really expensive, as all the hi end Xeon machines like HP etc)I also noticed some talks about heat-sinks etc. Well, Xeons are very cool. No need for ridiculous solutions. (max ~ 58ºC, greek summer, after 6 hours animation rendering)
BTW, talking about the greek summer, do we have a funny thread specialized on what's happening in greece? LOOOOOL
Laughing is good for the health.
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Honestly it's not just a matter of money. There is no way anyone can say the computers are good value anyway. I just don't see it, especially with UK prices.
I can't just repair an Apple if anything goes wrong, I have spent weeks without computers while they are being fixed. Do you not see how impacting this is? I'm tired of the whole brand and their attitude. I just want a machine that works where I don't have to boot up other operating systems to use the software I want. I am very happy with my machine, it works perfectly for my needs.
I can't tell you how much I don't need just a single screen Jeff....it's pointless looking at an iMac because I need 4 screens. This is not just a rendering PC. Try trading on a Mac. I am not booting windows to open trading software which is sensitive enough as it is. There are many many many reasons why I will not be buying mac again.
Not much point me justifying it because it seems like you are only concerned about price and that's just 1% of the argument. It's like you are glazing over everything else I've written Jeff. I think you may have your Apple Goggles on; like Beer Goggles but more hipster.
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give Oli a break.....he's given up smoking
.....and with the amount of money he's saved he deserves a treat....!!!
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Oli,
Maybe the solution could be to have a self built PC workhorse that can be upgraded and repaired quickly when the occasion arises and a half decent Mac for occasional use / fun?
@michaliszissiou said:
@unknownuser said:
BTW, talking about the greek summer, do we have a funny thread specialized on what's happening in greece? LOOOOOL
Laughing is good for the health.
michaliszissiou,
I don't think there is a Greece thread going. I am following the state of play closely and find the whole thing very interesting. I have no idea what the outcome will be but I don't think we will have to wait too long before we see something very serious happening that could well spread throughout the EU, the rise of the 'open shirt' politicians as I call them. When one thinks about it, there are far more 'open shirt' EU citizens that there are 'collar, tie and suit' citizens
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@unknownuser said:
I can't just repair an Apple if anything goes wrong
I know. However my macpro had some trouble a year ago.
They (apple) kept it for a week, waiting for a motherboard.
They didn't follow the instructions by apple.
They did nothing. But, I did. Found it was the heatsink of the northbridge chip. Replaced it (cost >30 euros) and the machine works perfectly. I mean, these older macpros are typical PC like constructions (more or less). I will never visit apple services again. Don't need them.@Mike Lucey
Open Shirt?
He can't do much, not this time.
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