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    • bazB Offline
      baz
      last edited by

      This has only started happening since the last update, the one from Trimble.
      Doesn't happen on all files, regardless whether they are new or old.
      But mouse-scroll even a fraction off the entity and I end up in outer space. Fast enough to make you dizzy.
      Nothing has been altered on my puter, ie: mouse settings.
      Not good, stuffs up the show completely.
      Any ideas?

      Baz

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      • GaieusG Offline
        Gaieus
        last edited by

        Baz, I do not think (cannot think of anything now) that anything was changed in this field. In fact, most of the changes were only "rebranding" (which is also necessary at a certain point of development).

        Gai...

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        • bazB Offline
          baz
          last edited by

          Thanks Gaieus, good to know it's not to with the update.
          I will have to have a good poke around with the puter and the graphics card and see what's causing it.
          I was rather hoping others had this issue... for a quick fix... 😞
          baz

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          • thomthomT Offline
            thomthom
            last edited by

            Always been like that in SketchUp. One just has to make sure the cursor is hovering over some entities.

            Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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              tomsdesk
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              When I'm trying to connect edges in empty space I will often position a large free standing face not too far behind my entire model: so zooming doesn't start at infinity.

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              • thomthomT Offline
                thomthom
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                @tomsdesk said:

                When I'm trying to connect edges in empty space I will often position a large free standing face not too far behind my entire model: so zooming doesn't start at infinity.

                +1

                When I import plan drawings - which is just lines - I some times add a dummy face until I start creating the main model.

                Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                • bazB Offline
                  baz
                  last edited by

                  Hi Guys.
                  I've been using Su almost every day since V5. This is not normal behaviour.
                  It doesn't happen on all files.
                  Let me try to explain:
                  You have a one metre sq cube with the front on the green axis, filling about 1/3 of the screen.
                  Place the curser about 200mm (relative) off the left side of the cube. image 1.
                  image1.jpg
                  Scroll in 3 clicks on mouse wheel. This is what I consider normal, about the same as when the curser is on the cube.image 2.
                  image2.jpg
                  Now rotate view to see the right hand side of the cube.
                  Place curser in same relative position on the left as before, image 3.
                  image3.jpg
                  Scroll 3 clicks on the wheel again and this time you are gone to 'woop-woop'. Image 4 shows only 1 click.
                  One mouse wheel click only!
                  Just to make things weirder, if you place the curser on the right hand side when front on, the zoom is very very slow. In the side view, with the curser on either side, hyper zoom is the same.
                  Hope you can make sense of all this.
                  If this is a bug, I hope others have not been accepting it as normal. It really makes navigation a pita.
                  Baz

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                  • Dave RD Offline
                    Dave R
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                    Barry, I've been using SketchUp nearly every day since version 3* and I'm not seeing anything different in the zoom behavior with the current version of any other version. Puzzling.

                    *Not an attempt at "one-upping" you. Just giving my frame of reference.

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                    • bazB Offline
                      baz
                      last edited by

                      Thanks for the info Dave, if no-one else is experiencing this, it must be my puter. I will try a re-install of Su first.
                      cheers
                      Baz

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                      • thomthomT Offline
                        thomthom
                        last edited by

                        I've used SU since 6...

                        Can you perhaps make a video - so we can see exactly what is happening. We might be interpreting the description differently.

                        Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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                        • bazB Offline
                          baz
                          last edited by

                          @thomthom said:

                          I've used SU since 6...

                          Can you perhaps make a video - so we can see exactly what is happening. We might be interpreting the description differently.

                          I've never tried making a screenshot video, can you suggest a good (free) one?
                          Baz

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                          • hellnbakH Offline
                            hellnbak
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                            Probably a dumb question, but why are you placing the cursor to the left of the cube to scroll in instead of placing it on the cube?

                            "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                            • thomthomT Offline
                              thomthom
                              last edited by

                              @baz said:

                              I've never tried making a screenshot video, can you suggest a good (free) one?
                              Baz

                              Screenpresso does 20 seconds with the free version: http://www.screenpresso.com/features

                              (Sorry, don't know about what free options there are - I have Screenpresso Pro and it's just freakkin amazing for screencaptures, videos and annotations.)

                              Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                              List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                              • bazB Offline
                                baz
                                last edited by

                                @hellnbak said:

                                Probably a dumb question, but why are you placing the cursor to the left of the cube to scroll in instead of placing it on the cube?

                                Imagine a more complicated structure, a grid perhaps. When I am working quickly, I zoom roughly, perhaps into one of the empty spaces, because I just want to get close to the area of interest and then get I instantly lost. This is not normal behaviour for Su, and it didn't used to happen. (And had never happened before until after the Trimble upgrade, co-incidence? Probly, but still a pita.
                                Cheers
                                Baz

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                                • thomthomT Offline
                                  thomthom
                                  last edited by

                                  @baz said:

                                  This is not normal behaviour for Su, and it didn't used to happen.

                                  This has always happened to me, since started to use SU6.
                                  Could be something you do differently... πŸ˜•
                                  Maybe the scale of the total model makes a difference? I find the zoom jump to be very noticeable when I've imported site plans.

                                  @baz said:

                                  (And had never happened before until after the Trimble upgrade, co-incidence?
                                  Must be, because it was just a re-brand release.

                                  Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                  List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                  • Dave RD Offline
                                    Dave R
                                    last edited by

                                    Barry, is it possible that in models where this strange zoom behavior occurs that you've got some entities at a great distance from the origin? By "great" I mean a distance greater than the size of the main part of your model. What happens when you hit Zoom Extents? Does the camera zoom out making the thing you were looking at rather small?

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                                    • thomthomT Offline
                                      thomthom
                                      last edited by

                                      Good point. I've had stray edges, or even guide points (not necessarily visible due to Style settings) that caused weird things to happen.

                                      Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                      List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                      • bazB Offline
                                        baz
                                        last edited by

                                        @dave r said:

                                        Barry, is it possible that in models where this strange zoom behavior occurs that you've got some entities at a great distance from the origin? By "great" I mean a distance greater than the size of the main part of your model. What happens when you hit Zoom Extents? Does the camera zoom out making the thing you were looking at rather small?

                                        Bingo! That is it.

                                        In my example I did have entities scattered all over, (but they were hidden). I deleted them and zoom returned to normal. So the 'focus' of zoom is centered on geometry whether hidden or not. (Now that is almost a bug).

                                        Strange that this seemed to be new behaviour. But I have several rushed projects on the go at the moment with lots of alternatives and alterations and my drawings are getting messy. In my haste I've been simply hiding things rather than organizing or deleting them.
                                        Thanks both, for sticking with this,

                                        I get to give a message the green tick for the first time!
                                        Cheers,
                                        Baz

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                                        • Dave RD Offline
                                          Dave R
                                          last edited by

                                          Hi Barry,

                                          I'm glad you got that sorted out. The zooming speed is sort of proportional with the distance between entities or how far apart they are spread out. If you are trying to zoom in on something in the distance that should really be there, you don't want to take a week to do it so zooming goes very rapidly.

                                          There are other issues associated with having geometry located at long distances (remember, long distances are relative) from the axis and from other geometry. The dreaded, evil, clipping plane is one of those things. Having even a single tiny line segment left hanging out in space can cause these problems. It can also make Zoom Extents sort of uselss. Here's an example.

                                          BAZ1.png
                                          Here's a simple model. Everything would seem fine orbiting around and drawing and whatever.

                                          BAZ2.png
                                          Hit Zoom Extents and it looks like this. I inserted an arrow to show the model. It is still selected but if it weren't it would be very difficult to see. Many people would be convinced their model had been deleted because they don't see anything. There's actually a tiny line segment somewhere in the upper right corner of the drawing window but it isn't visible. I placed it there intentionally but you can see that an errant line or one left behind rather than cleaned up could cause some hair pulling.

                                          I was finally able to duplicate the zooming problem you were having too because of that short line.

                                          Using Zoom Extents could be a tool to help you get your model cleaned up. If you keep your model close to the axes and you get something like my second image after a Zoom Extents operation, you know that you've got something hanging out there that probably shouldn't be there. Drag a selection box around the area you know the model shouldn't be in and hit Delete. Run Zoom Extents again. If it zooms in on your model, you've cleaned up the little bits. If it doesn't, you've still got stuff out there.

                                          Sorry to get long winded but maybe there's something useful here.

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                                          • bazB Offline
                                            baz
                                            last edited by

                                            @dave r said:

                                            Sorry to get long winded but maybe there's something useful here.

                                            All good stuff, πŸ‘

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