How to deform ovalish object

pilou

This is question how to add new entities into existing object.

Just create anything you want
Go to the level of group of the body you want add if you wan add inside a special group
this can be just a modification of an existing group!
or your new object is also a new group grouped to another group or not!

with SU you can make anything you want

Use the window /Outliner
for select, move, add, delete etc...anything in any group level existing to an other!
Move group of group...components etc...
It's the more powerful tool of Sketchup!
"+" for extend, "-" for rollback
Don't forget to name your group or component with an expressive name
because when you will have an aircraft carrier that will be more easy!

rumcajs

No worries, I understand the Outliner, groups and components. I use it and I know that when I would like to create e.g. heart, or stomach, I would need to create group. That is not problem. I asked not on group, but on object. But I should say entity. So my question is about this. We have the ovalish body entity. And there in the bottom of the oval, I need to add one or more circle to extend the oval. So when I will have more circles in the hips of body, I can better model it. But I don't want to put hips in group, it is one entity, whole body is one entity with hips.

So I don't need to add new groups. There is everything already. I need only change the shape -> and that means to add the details. So for hips right now, I need to add the circle one or two*. But I don't want to create new circle which is out of the body structure.

There is a picture above by 9:59 pm. I need to add it under the yellow frame.

rumcajs

OK, but how can I change the object? Is there some plugin which can correct the object if I had draw a circle there?

Similar situation - here I need to add circles to the body to create neck and shoulders shape:

pilou

So select only the part that you want modify
Inverse Selection / Hide
Just carreful some object are Groups, some are components !
So when you modify a component all instances of this component will be change!
Except if you make it "Unic"

@unknownuser said:

I need to add the circle one or two*.

Ok Use this plugin
I come back in few minute

pilou

Extrusion Cross editing : it's free in the Training edition
[flash=560,315:1i4goeba]http://www.youtube.com/v/11mhfNJlduE[/flash:1i4goeba]

pilou

You can also use Zorro2! by Whaat

Just use the views front side top and camera parallel projection for have straight circle // existing circle
if you trim a spheric form!

Zorro2 don't create face inside the volume!
You can't "slide" the cross section like the previous tool !
Move, scale, Rotate yes
So be sure to place it!

Will be in the Menu Tool !

rumcajs

That plugin is really cool. I've seen face editing. Cool. Thanks.

rumcajs

It works, but I have problem with the neck. I have did a mistake when I scaled a neck and saved it. The neck had torned off. I needed to rescale it, but it did not connect with the body already. How to connect it? I cannot draw on it until it is connected back.

pilou

Impossible to answer without file
(save as V6)

rumcajs

I had a dream about SU during I slept (Yes, I work during my sleep!). It was that I could draw soft edges or smooth edges directly. I realized, that I don't know if is it possible? Acually I don't know much about soft edges, I've just look for help and found Soft edges dialog box:
http://support.google.com/sketchup/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=114940
But where can I found this box? I had seen it somewhere days ago.

Next thing I have in my brain now is that, it could be good if we could have a mode for interference for segments. For example, I want to find some segment and must click it before I can resize/rescale it. Would not be much better to click directly on the ends of segment? Just idea.

I did not yet check the last plugin.

Here is the file:

human body v6.skp

Gaieus

@rumcajs said:

...Yes, I work during my sleep!...

Interesting. I have something similar: I sleep during my work!

@unknownuser said:

...It was that I could draw soft edges or smooth edges directly...

Maybe with this plugin? http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?t=37359

pilou

The box is here :Menu WIndow / Soften edges

Else subdivision modeling for Sketchup is here
Artisan by Whaat (39$ )
A free very basic is here by Rick Wilson
or more recent with another concept by guitar list

All for segments and vertex is here : Vertex Tools by Thomthom (20 $)

pilou

About the neck
Why do you say that is not more part of the body ?

@unknownuser said:

but it did not connect with the body already. How to connect it?

Seems it is
In front view inside the level of the group / component
Just make a box selection from right to left (so else who touch this box is selected) on the "cone neck"
then right click / reverse faces

When you move a segment of the neck it moves also the body, so it's makes part of the body

rumcajs

The color. Why the neck has blue color and the body is white?

numbthumb

Reversed faces.

pilou

Yep reverse face : blue can't receive the light of sun (so internal faces - backface)
White = receive the light of sun (so external faces)

Useful for the render program !

If you select one face of a volume* then right Click / Orient faces (different than Reverse faces !!! )
all faces of the volume will take the "work's color" (blue or white) of the first face clicked!

if the volume is well built

rumcajs

I've got it.

Any suggestions how to correct shoulders muscles, up on collar bone? So called posterior lateral triangle of Trapezius muscle? This is the muscle which leads from top of shoulder up to neck.

Also I tried the Cross Section tool to add a circle bellow neck from Tgi3D, but it writes to me: Cannot resolve cross section. This is after I reversed the neck faces. I don't know if it is the cause, because this should not have effect. I click just outside the neck. Try.

Question:
Do you know some video tutorial how to model head from the sphere or oval? This head does not look good at all. I don't need to model face, but just the main proportions of the head.

human body v6.skp

rumcajs

Q: When I try to rotate arms, should I rotate it outside or inside model? I see my model's arms are not exactly in same (mirrored) position.

pilou

If you want really sculpt anatomy, maybe Sketchup is not the best tool for that
of course you can use the Vertextools but...it's "old school" polygon sculpting!

[flash=560,315:uck4kicz]http://www.youtube.com/v/xfM02PleFMg[/flash:uck4kicz]

Try more Sculptris, a free crazzy one !

Or if you want more elaboate body in SU use the Free Make Human and imort it inside SKetchup !

That is the method of Orgelf!