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        Both weapons are different internal, I don't think you understand the mechanism which u can't see from the outside, the mechanism of the Ak47 and Bren gun are the same, the StG44 isn't, so therefore it's not influenced by the StG44, different mechanism, the same man may have worked on both weapons but he used a mechanism which is the same as a Bren, the Bren had to be reversed Engineered to create the same mechanism for the Ak47

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          The bren was innitially chambered for the then current british ammunition which was .303" not 7.62mm. The only bren guns to fire the 7.62 NATO spec ammunition were modified mark 3 and above units and these were not in use until post world war two. The russian ammunition at the time was 7.62mm. Note the progression of ammunition types right up to 76.2mm for the t-34 tanks equiped with what was called the t34/76.

          It would not have been logical for the russians to use the 7.92mm calibre used by most german weapons for logistical reasons.

          As for experience, my father used the bren gun as his personal weapon during national service and they had a mixed bag of .303" and 7.62mm because the british army were then rearming with the SLR 'Belgian FN' and the ammunition was being standardised. I also had a bren gun as my personal weapon while training recruits and we had a dinosaur of a .303" chambered bren, and no ammunition to fire from it. Your information is flawed sir.

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          • iichiversiiI Offline
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            Lol, this Arguement could go on forever ha ha, this is fun πŸ‘

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            • iichiversiiI Offline
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              I need my laptop to fire more ammo bk at you Mike

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              • Mike AmosM Offline
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                Good debate is the life blood of any forum so long as we keep it clean. We are all entitled to our opinions after all.

                Seriously though, similarity of componentry does not indicate a common ancestry, merely the same problems being met with similar solutions. Just take a look at formula 1 cars for example. BTW, the StG 44 began development in about 1939 and production included stampled metal for the carrier and slide cover. It would be interesting to see all three bolts and pins side by side. Those brens are heavy buggers for what they are too.

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                  I found this link to another forum with our same Arguement, again it's more or less the same as our discussion, 1 individual claims the Bren influenced the StG44 and then both influenced the AK47, this would make us both right lol, Another says the mechanism of the AK47 and Bren are different but I know this is a false statement as iv had hands in both and the mechanism is the same, but it seems to be an ongoing discussion, I remember hearing yrs ago when I was a reservist that the AK47 was a reverse engineered bren gun which was captured, but the link mike posted replaces the bren with the same story, strange, but I will add the mechanism of the bren and AK are the same so if it were the StG44 they reverse engineered to influence the AK it makes no sense since its a completely different mechanism inside, but bare in mind that the AK is smaller in size compared to the Bren and similar in size to the StG44, so what could of happened here is the Russians wanted an assault rifle like the StG44 but used the mechanism of a Bren to better it, the mechanism of a Bren and AK are a very rugged weapon due to its mechanism, who really knows the real answer to this, maybe we are both right or mikes wrong πŸ˜„

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                  • sh00ksS Offline
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                    Cool, gun nuts πŸ˜„ πŸ‘

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                    • Mike AmosM Offline
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                      Not a 'gun nut' as you put it, I just had a lot of time firing and cleaning a fairly diverse selection as part of my job. Biggest gun I was qualified on was the Chieftain and Challenger 120mm. They do tend to mess up what they hit. They also take a load of time cleaning and then some.

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                        Compared to my knowledge of guns, you are a gunnut to me πŸ˜‰

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                          Just started a new WIP. Again opinions very much welcome.

                          http://i50.tinypic.com/w1cqoj.jpg

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                          • Mike AmosM Offline
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                            Depending on the location of the rear sight, you may want to make the front sight a bit taller otherwise it would not be seen by the firer.

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                              @paladin_bs said:

                              Just started a new WIP. Again opinions very much welcome.

                              http://i50.tinypic.com/w1cqoj.jpg

                              http://i49.tinypic.com/2h7lxts.jpg

                              looks good, is this not sketchup however?

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                                http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/30/3d_printed_assault_rifle/

                                now just print it out on your 3D Printer and you're ready to go. crazy.

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                                  @liam887 said:

                                  looks good, is this not sketchup however?

                                  It was made completely in Sketchup. I just imported to 3DS Max 12 because it looked better.

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                                    @paladin_bs said:

                                    @liam887 said:

                                    looks good, is this not sketchup however?

                                    It was made completely in Sketchup. I just imported to 3DS Max 12 because it looked better.

                                    Oh ok, have you tried rendering it yet?

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                                      Redid it to make it better suited for gaming. In essence I made it of components to lower the poly count. Anyway here it is in sketchup and in 3DS Max.

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