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    • brookefoxB Offline
      brookefox
      last edited by

      This is not new, it's old, real old. Please put it out of it's misery... Here's a model, just a spiral path and 4 half cicles to be swept to make a skin (use as many as you like), by some method, any method, preferably many several methods available here. It's easy, only I've failed (except to make an approximation. I'm looking for an accurate, proper model). Then I'll go away for awhile.

      Please.


      golden spiral with half circle edges for skinning.skp


      golden spiral with half circle edges for skinning.JPG

      ~ Brooke

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      • mitcorbM Offline
        mitcorb
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        The Drawmetal Set can do spirals, but not necessarily fibonacci series. By the way, something I remember reading stated that the term comes from Fils Bonacci. The Bonacci brothers? I don't know where I found it, nor if it is bona fide information.

        I take the slow, deliberate approach in my aimless wandering.

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        • pilouP Offline
          pilou
          last edited by

          I have found that πŸ˜‰
          By Cristobal Vila

          http://www.etereaestudios.com/worksweb/nbyn/wip/fibonacci.gif

          A cool animation! β˜€

          spiralor.jpg

          Start from the red square, rotate the diagonal of the half red square = the golden rectangle
          each corner gives you a new square by the black arcs circles
          You can now draw the red Golden Spiral πŸ˜‰

          And maybe the courbette by Fredo6 inside bezier-SPline can make also similar curves πŸ˜‰

          Frenchy Pilou
          Is beautiful that please without concept!
          My Little site :)

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          • brookefoxB Offline
            brookefox
            last edited by

            I appreciate your corrections, as possibly irrelevant to the crux of the issue as they may be. And I mean I do appreciate them. However, the problem remains. Skin it, loft it, mesh it, please. Herewith a model with the faces perpendicular to the path at the ends, spiral with perpendicular half circles for lofting.JPGspiral with perpendicular half circles for lofting.skpand my last, best attempt with the flaws not visible follow me and rotate-settings-rotate 0 scale 1.03 24 segment face flat helix.JPGand another with obvious flaws.follow me and rotate-settings-rotate 0 scale 1.02 24 segment face flat helix larger gen face.JPG
            (Jeff, you get a pass (A+) on this one since I'm not really sure if your model was exact apart from the slightly pointed arc ends. I will review, which I can't say why I haven't thoroughly except also for the fact that it seems it should be able to be done in one pass rather than 4.)

            ~ Brooke

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            • jeff hammondJ Offline
              jeff hammond
              last edited by

              @brookefox said:

              (Jeff, you get a pass (A+) on this one since I'm not really sure if your model was exact apart from the slightly pointed arc ends. I will review, which I can't say why I haven't thoroughly except also for the fact that it seems it should be able to be done in one pass rather than 4.)

              hey wait.. that was the exploratory version (i.e.- looking for the technique but not super concerned with accuracy)..
              i think it could be done accurately (but it's hard to judge what accurate is in this case.. i mean i think it can be done in a way that's driven by geometry and less of an organic thing)

              dotdotdot

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              • jeff hammondJ Offline
                jeff hammond
                last edited by

                the way it's being presented here could be solved this way (i used pilou's linked video for inspiration πŸ˜‰ )

                it's weird in that 'this spot' has everything rotating around the same z axis.. in contrast, that other version i tried had a little tear drop up there..

                spiral2.skp

                spiral2.jpg

                [edit].. oh wait.. i think i'm missing a 1/2 turn or two in there..
                same thing just more of it then.. πŸ˜„

                [i will say this though.. i don't think you're going to find an automated process for this.. i'm pretty sure someone would have to specifically make a nautilus plugin to get it done quickly]

                dotdotdot

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                • brookefoxB Offline
                  brookefox
                  last edited by

                  Many thanks, again. I think my problem with not accepting what is obvious to an experienced lofter is that I think the routine can see my intentions when in fact there are too many options to parse, so it must be done in pieces where the choices are more inevitable. As you have been saying. Thanks also for your patience.

                  ~ Brooke

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                  • S Offline
                    SUFractal
                    last edited by

                    @unknownuser said:

                    the way it's being presented here could be solved this way (i used pilou's linked video for inspiration πŸ˜‰ )

                    it's weird in that 'this spot' has everything rotating around the same z axis.. in contrast, that other version i tried had a little tear drop up there..

                    [attachment=0:229g0of5]<!-- ia0 -->spiral2.skp<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:229g0of5]

                    [attachment=1:229g0of5]<!-- ia1 -->spiral2.jpg<!-- ia1 -->[/attachment:229g0of5]

                    [edit].. oh wait.. i think i'm missing a 1/2 turn or two in there..
                    same thing just more of it then.. πŸ˜„

                    [i will say this though.. i don't think you're going to find an automated process for this.. i'm pretty sure someone would have to specifically make a nautilus plugin to get it done quickly]

                    awesome as a skater's park!

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                    • pilouP Offline
                      pilou
                      last edited by

                      @unknownuser said:

                      awesome as a skater's park!

                      Normal, as Jeff is a skater's park builder & conceptor (?) in the reality! πŸ˜‰
                      So harmony of curves surfaces has no secret for him! β˜€

                      Frenchy Pilou
                      Is beautiful that please without concept!
                      My Little site :)

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                      • pilouP Offline
                        pilou
                        last edited by

                        Remember that I had done in the past with 1001 (Revolution Surface Tool) I believe that it's inside the free version)

                        http://www.1001bit.com/forum_imgs/revsurf-2.gif

                        http://www.polyloop.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=31018

                        http://www.polyloop.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=31019&d=1245067816

                        Frenchy Pilou
                        Is beautiful that please without concept!
                        My Little site :)

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                        • brookefoxB Offline
                          brookefox
                          last edited by

                          Another great tip.

                          Merci, Frenchy, maestro nonpareil.

                          ~ Brooke

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                          • urgenU Offline
                            urgen
                            last edited by

                            ...some old video...no skining,but very exciting
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuKEjp_2nlc&feature=plcp
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WojbqmZXSbg&feature=watch_response

                            --pupil forever...------

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                            • brookefoxB Offline
                              brookefox
                              last edited by

                              @unknownuser said:

                              Start from the red square, rotate the diagonal of the half red square = the golden rectangle
                              each corner gives you a new square by the black arcs circles
                              You can now draw the red Golden Spiral πŸ˜‰

                              Clear as mud, Pilou. πŸ˜›

                              Nice that urgen's first video does the job for us so easily.

                              (As useful as it may be, I could not find a free version of 1001bit, only trials.)

                              ~ Brooke

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                              • pilouP Offline
                                pilou
                                last edited by

                                Does this more clear ? πŸ˜„

                                more_clear.jpg

                                Frenchy Pilou
                                Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                My Little site :)

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                                • brookefoxB Offline
                                  brookefox
                                  last edited by

                                  You bet it is. I did not mean to trouble you further, though.

                                  β˜€


                                  golden spiral create-2.JPG

                                  ~ Brooke

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                                  • pilouP Offline
                                    pilou
                                    last edited by

                                    Cool method and setup page like Chris Ware πŸ˜‰

                                    @unknownuser said:

                                    You bet it is. I did not mean to trouble you further, though.

                                    Absolutly non problem β˜€

                                    no_problem.jpg

                                    Frenchy Pilou
                                    Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                    My Little site :)

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                                    • brookefoxB Offline
                                      brookefox
                                      last edited by

                                      Crazzy no_problem, amigo. Is possible much larger image?

                                      ~ Brooke

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                                      • brookefoxB Offline
                                        brookefox
                                        last edited by

                                        Finally got it done with the original model using Fredo's Curviloft tools and TIGs Extrusion Tools. Five steps to model the half shell.

                                        Never fear. WIP not. Unrendered.

                                        shell via curviloft-DONE-1.JPG

                                        shell via curviloft-DONE-2.JPG

                                        shell via curviloft-DONE-3.JPG

                                        shell via curviloft-DONE-4.JPG

                                        Thanks very much for your help and patience.

                                        ~ Brooke

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                                        • pilouP Offline
                                          pilou
                                          last edited by

                                          Yes of course 1024 *512 is my maxi, but not for the previus because I made it on the fly (maybe 30 seconds) πŸ˜’
                                          so I have not yet the original! 😳

                                          if you are interested take a look to my little prog πŸ˜‰

                                          You make any model you want in SU than use my little prog for make some funny variations β˜€

                                          http://forums.sketchucation.com/download/file.php?id=70062&mode=view

                                          Frenchy Pilou
                                          Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                          My Little site :)

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                                          • brookefoxB Offline
                                            brookefox
                                            last edited by

                                            I am very interested and will try it. You are modest kind, and creative, and most helpful.

                                            But you did not save that image.... Too much flowing. πŸ˜›

                                            We cannot capture it all, we cannot hold any of it.

                                            β˜€

                                            ~ Brooke

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