A new home for SketchUp
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@unknownuser said:
Yes, I can use Blender, but Sketchup is much more user friendly.
From the point of a blender user, blender is the friendlier.
For instance, SU isn't that friendly to me, especially when having to deal with snapping options.
How can anyone compares these two apps? Blender is a huge application, containing almost any function you may like. Not just a modeler.
SU lacks of very important tools, like a decent UV editor. Neither some addons in SU are comparable with blender (artisan, UV editing etc)
On the other hand, blender does huge steps on the SU direction these days. It's the bmesh new builds. Learn about them.
To my good friends that develop these SU excellent addons: Learn python scripting.And... we can still use SU and export to blender via TIG's excellent obj exporter. I'll keep saying it because it was a great help to me.
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@michaliszissiou said:
@unknownuser said:
Yes, I can use Blender, but Sketchup is much more user friendly.
From the point of a blender user, blender is the friendlier.
For instance, SU isn't that friendly to me, especially when having to deal with snapping options.
How can anyone compares these two apps? Blender is a huge application, containing almost any function you may like. Not just a modeler.
SU lacks of very important tools, like a decent UV editor. Neither some addons in SU are comparable with blender (artisan, UV editing etc)
On the other hand, blender does huge steps on the SU direction these days. It's the bmesh new builds. Learn about them.
To my good friends that develop these SU excellent addons: Learn python scripting.And... we can still use SU and export to blender via TIG's excellent obj exporter. I'll keep saying it because it was a great help to me.
People are biased to what they like most.
I can say Sketchup is more user friendlier to me then Blender, because I tried them both.
For all the things you listed for Blender that makes it GREAT, doesn't make it easier, for me, to learn.I have this same learning curve with the SU plugins I get free and buy. Which is why I take my time to learn each one, at a time.
This, in turn, makes learning Blender all that much more easy for me.I didn't say I didn't LIKE Blender. I do. I use it when I need to. When there are no plugins made for Sketchup that will do the job I need done.
It doesn't help that my IQ went from a 136 to about a 72 due to a disability.
So, yes, Sketchup is much more user friendly. For me.
Edit to add: [from my prior post] I was hoping that more VW creators would join this forum because they have made plugins for SU that might be useful to some people here.
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@unknownuser said:
@last had a free version. That was my first introduction to Sketchup.
Sorry to contradict, but @Last never had a free version. What they did have was an unlimited trial of the retail version that worked for 8 hours actual modelling time...same as the Pro version now. Susan ought to know...she'd been using SU for years by the time it was sold in 2006. In fact, like some others of us, she'd already started marketing content for SU a year or two prior to that date.
I would agree that SU is far more intuitive to learn and user-friendly than Blender. Blender might seem user-friendly to those that have already mastered it; but as far back as a decade ago it had the reputation in the 3D community of being the most unintuitive modelling program out there...and I don't see that's much has changed since then, powerful though it may be
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@alan fraser said:
@unknownuser said:
@last had a free version. That was my first introduction to Sketchup.
Sorry to contradict, but @Last never had a free version. What they did have was an unlimited trial of the retail version that worked for 8 hours actual modelling time...same as the Pro version now. Susan ought to know...she'd been using SU for years by the time it was sold in 2006. In fact, like some others of us, she'd already started marketing content for SU a year or two prior to that date.
Don't be sorry. Thank you for the correction. It seemed free to me, since I was able to use it for so long. I got it before @last sold to Google. (obviously?) But I mostly tried to learn AutoCad, and was using an architectural program while I dabbled with getting to know Sketchup. I only know what I myself experience. And my apologies to Susan. Had I actually known her, I might have known that she (and you others) "ought" to know. It was just a simple comment I made with what little knowledge I had.
Anyone else?
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@michaelv said:
As for creating plugin for the VW crowd, I think it's a matter of use. It is hard to create a plugin for something one either doesn't need or doesn't understand(see the simplicity issue above). Some can create plugin on demand, and it happens. But I think each group of user has to organically refine its own set of tools.
Granted ruby is not as "simple" to use as one may wish. I wish there was a simplicity rule applied to programming languages too, it has been tried many times too (and there are scripting languages too), but it is just a very very complex task. Ruby is very much going in the right direction, and is already quite an achievement, that is why I'd wish that in SU it didn't become replaced by C (C++, Java, etc..) or other more "technical" languages, even if arguably they are more powerful (or more widely used by programmers). Now they still could be a secondary option for the most advanced programmers, to do the most powerful features. Again a design issue.Sorry, I forgot to respond to this. You're right Michaelv. It is, and I didn't really expect the architectural programmers to make them. It was more a "wish" for me. Also why I wished those who had made plugins for the VW area would share them in here as I'm sure there are other VW creators in here besides me and Opal. Thanks for the excellent read!
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@alan fraser said:
I would agree that SU is far more intuitive to learn and user-friendly than Blender. Blender might seem user-friendly to those that have already mastered it; but as far back as a decade ago it had the reputation in the 3D community of being the most unintuitive modelling program out there...and I don't see that's much has changed since then, powerful though it may be
Well, you haven't tried Blender recently. They've fixed a lot of the awful usability issues in the recent (2.5 and higher) versions... I had thought the same as you because I had tried to learn it before and hated it.
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Just a short note about blender. To learn blender, one must be able to SEE the interface.. it's just too small for those of us that are visually challenged which is why sketchup is the program of choice for me.. a UI that is both user friendly and visible with crappy eyesight.
I gave blender a shot about 3 years ago.. failed and someone told me that a lot had changed/updated since then so a couple months ago, I tried again and could not find any way to make text and buttons large enough to make the program user friendly for me.
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Interesting Free BIM Software from Trimble
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@jpalm32 said:
Interesting Free BIM Software from Trimble
Now that's an interesting pointer to SUs future...
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Maybe SketchUp could leverage LeapMotion to bring the modeling experience forward? http://news.sketchucation.com/leapmotion-just-like-star-trek/
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@unknownuser said:
Just a short note about blender. To learn blender, one must be able to SEE the interface.. it's just too small for those of us that are visually challenged which is why sketchup is the program of choice for me.. a UI that is both user friendly and visible with crappy eyesight.
I gave blender a shot about 3 years ago.. failed and someone told me that a lot had changed/updated since then so a couple months ago, I tried again and could not find any way to make text and buttons large enough to make the program user friendly for me.
I hope the new owners choose to leave the interface alone.Well, the first I check on a new app is the preferences panel
Please, try DPI=100 for instance.
Don't forget to click "save as default" if you're happy.
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@Rick
I know, where can we find all these tips? An endless search my friends. And lot of questions on http://blenderartists.org/forum/index.php
Seriously, under preferences panel, you'll find a lot of interesting parameters that will make blender a lot more friendly and familiar to SU users.
I'll say it again, it's a powerful application. I just found an interesting post and I like to share it with you. On this topic, because beside my love to SU, I can't stay and read all these against blender. Probably, I'm not serious now, I knowA blender modeling, octane renderer.
http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?255681-Urban-appartment -
@mike lucey said:
Maybe SketchUp could leverage LeapMotion to bring the modeling experience forward? http://news.sketchucation.com/leapmotion-just-like-star-trek/
Man Mike, nice find, pre-order for $75.00. WOW! http://www.leapmotion.com/
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@dale said:
@mike lucey said:
Maybe SketchUp could leverage LeapMotion to bring the modeling experience forward? http://news.sketchucation.com/leapmotion-just-like-star-trek/
Man Mike, nice find, pre-order for $75.00. WOW! http://www.leapmotion.com/
Not my find, Tavi put me on to it. I just did the follow up. I'd really like to try the LeapMotion out as I think SketchUp would rock with it
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Hey all,
We've noticed that the discussion on this thread has been moving towards what you all hope for in SketchUp. We're still waiting for the Google/Trimble deal to be approved by Uncle Sam, but we're eager to start a dialogue about the future of SketchUp. This Wednesday, we're planning to host a community chat session on Reddit, so that multiple folks on our team can comment on some of the suggestions that the SketchUp community has offered here and across the web.
We've submitted our request to the Reddit moderators, who should approve our event soon and put it on the broader Reddit calendar. Right now we're shooting to run this chat for four hours this Wednesday from 11:30 - 3:30 pm (Mountain time).
I'm starting a new thread on to announce this more broadly on SketchUcation, but I thought the folks on this thread would be especially interested. I'll chime in here again with any relevant links and updates on this chat, but the best place to keep track of it is on the other thread.
Cheers,
Mark
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@mike lucey said:
Maybe SketchUp could leverage LeapMotion to bring the modeling experience forward? http://news.sketchucation.com/leapmotion-just-like-star-trek/
[flash=560,315:b5bmk60f]http://www.youtube.com/v/V5cZtxfeSwg?version=3&[/flash:b5bmk60f]
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@starling75 said:
@mike lucey said:
Maybe SketchUp could leverage LeapMotion to bring the modeling experience forward? http://news.sketchucation.com/leapmotion-just-like-star-trek/
[flash=560,315:l98ohx7p]http://www.youtube.com/v/V5cZtxfeSwg?version=3&[/flash:l98ohx7p]
That will liven up the architects' offices. Should be quite aerobic at deadline time.
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@michaliszissiou said:
@unknownuser said:
Just a short note about blender. To learn blender, one must be able to SEE the interface.. it's just too small for those of us that are visually challenged which is why sketchup is the program of choice for me.. a UI that is both user friendly and visible with crappy eyesight.
I gave blender a shot about 3 years ago.. failed and someone told me that a lot had changed/updated since then so a couple months ago, I tried again and could not find any way to make text and buttons large enough to make the program user friendly for me.
I hope the new owners choose to leave the interface alone.Well, the first I check on a new app is the preferences panel
Please, try DPI=100 for instance.
Don't forget to click "save as default" if you're happy.WHOA! nobody ever told me that DPI had any relation to something besides printing. I'm thrilled! Now I can actually SEE what I don't understand (yet)
tysm!
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