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    • J Offline
      jpalm32
      last edited by

      Had this problem with CAD file recetly. It was Layers showing up that were turned OFF.
      Crazy mess. Finally deleted the layers and lines stopped showing up,

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        PETE838
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        Hmm, no I haven't imported anything from CAD. The only things I've imported were a few electrical symbols from the warehouse. I do use AutoCAD Architecture, but SU is soooo much easier to draw in that I prefer it unless I am working with someone else's A&E plans or a really complex project.

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        • boofredlayB Offline
          boofredlay
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          Pete, the import of symbols from the warehouse could have caused some problems as well. I never trust any other model than ones I create myself. But if you have to import those details make sure you have all layers on and hidden lines on to see any problems right away.

          To the problem at hand I think you are running into z-fighting with so many surfaces on the same plane. I would suggest drawing your walls as a component. Then draw your roof as a separate component and so on. Eventually you can combine them if you want but keeping as many elements separate will help you in the long run.

          Also, when filling in a surface, if there are too many intersect points around the perimeter SU will not fill it in which is why you are having to create many triangles before getting the full area to fill in.

          My 2 cents.

          http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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          • boofredlayB Offline
            boofredlay
            last edited by

            Also, you have many elements that are not co-planar. The attached image - set of dashed lines for example are not on the same plane. The dashes are lower than the rest of the roof and walls.

            Note that small lines in SU will wreak havoc in a heart beat.

            Another suggestion would be to create a large plane then draw your lines on it. Having a surface to draw your 2d lines on will help prevent snapping to some arbitrary point.


            Dashes.jpg

            http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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              PETE838
              last edited by

              Great info. Thank you.

              Is there a way to "lock" all of your drawing into the Z plane? Or move your points in the Z (or x or y, for that matter) plane? I know in ACAD you can draw the line, then alter its start and end point coordinates in XYZ, or just draw it by entering the coordinates. Or maybe an add-in to flatten everything into the same plane?

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                mics_54
                last edited by

                @unknownuser said:

                Is there a way to "lock" all of your drawing into the Z plane?

                @unknownuser said:

                Another suggestion would be to create a large plane then draw your lines on it. Having a surface to draw your 2d lines on will help prevent snapping to some arbitrary point.

                I think that is what drawing your sheet plane would effectively be doing. Each time you ad a line or other element you will get "On Surface" indication.

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                  mics_54
                  last edited by

                  Boofredlay as an aside...if one is using 2D tools is it advised to mix in the standard textures rather than the 2D hatches?

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                  • boofredlayB Offline
                    boofredlay
                    last edited by

                    Pete, I don't know of a way to lock your drawing tools to a z plane. One way to be more sure you are drawing on a single plane is to do it in perspective mode and continually rotate around your drawing. I don't use SU for 2d much so someone else might weigh in with a better solution.

                    As far as flattening your geometry when it goes South, you could use TIG's Flatten to Plane plugin:
                    http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?p=281320#p281320

                    Michael, I am not sure I understand your question.

                    http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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                      mics_54
                      last edited by

                      @unknownuser said:

                      Michael, I am not sure I understand your question.

                      I think that probably answers my question. πŸ˜†

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                      • boofredlayB Offline
                        boofredlay
                        last edited by

                        @mics_54 said:

                        @unknownuser said:

                        Michael, I am not sure I understand your question.

                        I think that probably answers my question. πŸ˜†

                        Glad I could help πŸ˜„

                        http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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                        • boofredlayB Offline
                          boofredlay
                          last edited by

                          Pete, I had a bit of time at lunch so I did a quick video of how I would go about a 2d plan like you are showing. Hope this helps.
                          Draw a plane, group it, use it as a canvas, delete it then finish up your plan.

                          [flash=853,505:32x4el71]http://www.youtube.com/v/Pmc-hJzqhl0&fs=1[/flash:32x4el71]

                          http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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                            mics_54
                            last edited by

                            πŸ‘

                            but one question...how did you do the line extensions when doing the intersections for the hips and valleys?

                            I dont get the inference.

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                            • boofredlayB Offline
                              boofredlay
                              last edited by

                              Start your line, hover over the existing line then hold down shift. This will extend the line allowing you to reference another point on the drawing. Or start your line, move it along an axis and hold shift, again it will continue along that same path allowing you to reference another point.

                              http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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                                mics_54
                                last edited by

                                dang it i knew that!

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                                • boofredlayB Offline
                                  boofredlay
                                  last edited by

                                  There is a more detailed explpaination on the GSU videos.
                                  http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/training/videos.html

                                  Under "Familiar with Google SketchUp" then "Google SketchUp Techniques: Inference Locking"

                                  http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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                                    mics_54
                                    last edited by

                                    The screen capture video worked so flawlessly..what software is that?

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                                    • boofredlayB Offline
                                      boofredlay
                                      last edited by

                                      I use Hypercam2
                                      http://www.hyperionics.com/hc/

                                      Make sure you change the keyboard shortcuts (Hot Keys) because they can interfere with your SU ones and mess up your video. I found that out the hard way.

                                      After taking the video I used Windows Live Movie Maker to add text and edit it. Then uploaded to Youtube.

                                      Both Hypercam and WLMM are free.

                                      http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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                                        mics_54
                                        last edited by

                                        you rock πŸ‘

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                                        • P Offline
                                          PETE838
                                          last edited by

                                          That was astounding how quickly you did that. The same workflow for me takes 20 minutes. Thanks a million.

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                                          • boofredlayB Offline
                                            boofredlay
                                            last edited by

                                            Thanks Michael

                                            Thanks Pete. Practice practice practice.

                                            http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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