Why You Should NOT Vaccinate Your Children
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZA0qNsf4m0&feature=player_embedded#
watch it
soon the money would not get you any advantage, fortunately. -
I'm hoping you're not implying the collapse of 'the system', and the majority of all people being hit with poverty as a result, will induce a sort of post-historian state of bliss. If anything, wealth will simply be rearranged - and not in a way that'll benefit many.
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Can i be the first to call b.s? I find it hard to believe anyone has any idea whats going to happen in 5 to 10 years.
edit: beaten to it, sort of.
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what i meant to say, clearly not gotten,
is that Life remains untouched by the money,
and that i sense that we are in a deep change.
The video above had the purpose to get anyone not to be so confident about what the systems of things tell us about how things work nowadays.
We are being moved to a better stage where money will not be the magic stone.
This relates with the thread in the sense of defending the people who want to act by themselves.
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@unknownuser said:
Apparently we have a solid inventory on all the dangerous viruses past present and future. (and Pluto was a planet just a couple of years ago) That's so funny ...funny is the only way I can describe it.
It would be pretty silly if anyone did try and claim that.
@unknownuser said:
After thousands of years in the making these dangerous viruses have decided to turn up on our watch. But never fear. We have the answer. Man, we are getting more god like by the moment. That's progress for ya.
Of course they didnt just turn up the moment we discovered vaccination, they've been around for thousands of years (in various guises.) The difference being people used to die from them. In their millions.
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so modelhead: you are saying stop all vaccinations. what planet are you on?
If there was a vaccine for HIV, would you take it?
If there was a vaccine for cancer, would you take it?
Of course you bloody well would. Stop being controversial for the sake of it.
Anyway, do u even have an ounce of real medical background? This thread should be removed it's propaganda.
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I don't really know what's more amazing: modelhed aproach to this matter, or we all for even taking the time to answer this...
If you said something like this specific vacine is nothing more than a way to do more money, and the normal flu kills more a year than h1n1, for example, this could have been an interesting discussion, but instead you use your "absolute truths". It doesn't really matter what we say or show because all that we have is false, but on the other hand all that you show is more valid than everyone else's stuff.
Join this with the fact that your statements affect all the professionals in the area, with you not making any exceptions, and now besides beeing stupid it's also disrespectfull. For you, all that study, work, invest time and money, or just take pleasure of helping others are just here too fool us. Guys that study years, lose time with their families to evolve a specific formula and so on are robbers, the doctors that try to use the methods are even worse, and everyone suporting are dumb.
The funny part here is you using quotes, to justify your statements, of people working in the area that you show no respect for...
So doesn't really matter what we're discussing here (for all i know we could be talking about what food taste better) because your aproach to this is "i'm right, you're wrong" and "everything i show is true, everything you show is false"...It's not really a discussion since the original post, it's your statment.
A portuguese comedian said, some time ago, something like: "the freedom of speech is great, because it let us know where the idiots are". Man, that was never more true...
BTW: my mother is a nurse,i know a lot a doctrs and researchers and seen some stuff they've made for others, and my very young brother would have died when he was 2 if it wasn't for doctors and antibiotics. I also think there's too much hype in this h1n1 vacine...but not in your way.
P.S.: If you or any of your family have a crash or something (really hope not) promise me you'll do 3 things: 1 - Call 911 for help, 2 - Let them use ther "vodoo" medicine "stuff" and "knowledge" on the injureds, 3 - Shut up, and don't share your opinion about their profession, so that you're not disrespecfull for the ones that are trying to help you or someone you know.
Because you know, there's somethings a kiss in the "bubu" won't heal...
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@unknownuser said:
This thread was started to point out that the science of vaccinations is quite infantile and that you all should look closer at this science. Suggesting that you avoid the swine flu vaccine was a good way to get the conversation started.
For this sentence only i'm gonna give the benefict of the doubt in here.
"I'm starting to think people can't read."
Read all my post please. What's the focus of my post again? A litle tip: the conclusion start's with "So..."
"I have nothing against the medical profession. I have no respect for professionals that act like gods."
Have you ever consider that when you go to a doctor appointment and he recomends the X antibiotics, pill or whatever, it's maybe because, i don't know...a wild guess here, he know more that you in this matter? Study the same thing they have, have a little experience in aplying those knoledge, and then do more research about the two sides of the question to give a worthy opinion, and not another "absolute truth".
My boss had a discussion with me about design,3d,image last week (we're talking about the guy who discover that printers can't print white some days ago) because in the render i made for him, the white floor he wanted, were showing a little more dark in some areas. That areas were the zones where the shadows of the walls were falling...After speending some time explaing how shadows work (keep in mind he's an architect...) i thought to myself "whatever. It's not worth it", so i open photshop and hand painted the shadows white, so all the rest of the model had shadows except the floor that was completly white. After that he said to me "See?i was right, the floor is always like this, all white"...
Right know, you are my boss...
If you keep acting like that everyone else will do what i did: realize it's not worth it, and just say yes to everything you say... -
yes...
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you are basically suggesting vaccines don't work. just because you haven't yet caught something nasty.
so you would not take a vaccine for cancer or hiv if they offered us one? that says it all really.
we are supposed to be progressing in medicine not going back!
just another example: look at all the poor kids in africa who have polio. this can be prevented...and you say it shouldn't. crazy!
why you would encourage this is beyond me:
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Modelhead... Why do you try to make fun of this...
You have your opinion about vaccines - and we have ours...Don't play such a fool and pretend that you don't know why the polio vaccine haven't been distributed all over Africa...
For crying out loud... It's a developing country...I'm ashamed that you try to ridicule Oli's argument the way you do...
It shows that you have no respect...
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What?
This thread is still here?
Go home now!
He won't listen, you can't change his mind, he rejects your reality and substitutes his own. The logic, data, lucid and well thought out arguments are all trumped by "..but I don't believe you."
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Seeing as you have such a good grounding in the background of vaccines and medicine in general, could you please explain your ideas as to why polio, smallpox and other such previously common viral diseases are now largely absent from first world countries?
I also agree with your comments about the body being much better at healing itself than any medicine. As some intelligent chap once said, medicine is just distracting the patient while the body sorts itself out. Thats not to say doctors cant lend a helping hand, of course.
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@unknownuser said:
There has to be an explanation...I have had no vaccinations...I don't get sick...I have spent most of my life treating myself....and I am not going to knock on wood.
this should be your new avatar
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And then he got vaccinated.
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solo im in serious stitches right now
thats so funnyedit: it seems to me modelhead you are just looking for every excuse not to take vaccines.
tell me something, if you went to africa for a holiday.....on safari for example.....would you not get vaccinated?
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@unknownuser said:
I can't answer that question Remus but neither can medical science. There are many claims based on mathimatical models but no hard facts and no process through which the effectiveness of vaccines can be qualified....if you have come accross one I do want to read about it cause somehow if it exists it has escaped me for many years.
Therese plenty of reading here: http://www.thelancet.com/search/results?searchTerm=vaccine&fieldName=AllFields&journalFromWhichSearchStarted=
im interested to know why you think its not possible to test the efficacy of a given vaccine. Surely its a case of give vaccine to x thousand people and dont give it to another x thousand people then compare rates of infection in the 2 groups.
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Catastrophic sense of humour failure here.
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and right there is why you'll never win guys and girls.
perfect example of what I pointed out earlier. evidence is given and excuses why it's wrong are given back with NO evidence of why it's wrong. just handwavium and vague phrases.
give up. you cannot win.
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You will never find proof in the real world, then, as it does not exist in the form you're looking for. Do you want me to continue? as if i do so it'll be a rather lengthy explanation of the scientific method and statistics, and to be honest i dont want to type it all out if your not going to listen.
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