Why You Should NOT Vaccinate Your Children
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The logic of the whole thing is pretty straightforward, though. Lots of unvaccinated people = lots of people who could potentially get the disease in question. Lots of vaccinated people = much fewer people who could potentially get the disease in queston.
Oh, sorry, i forgot vaccines are unproven.
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@remus said:
Oh, sorry, i forgot vaccines are unproven.
No there is proof. It says it in Wikipedia and everything in there is fact.
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You can always follow the citations if you question whats written, its not that hard really.
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@earthmover said:
No there is proof. It says it in Wikipedia and everything in there is fact.
Thank you, Adam. I needed a laugh.
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I'm dipping out of this argument, but look at this
I have heard that there is a connection between the Tamiflu company and Mr Donald Rumsfeld. Donald's track record for trustworthiness makes me think if he has anything to do with Tamiflu I will never take it under any circumstances.
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Speaking of vaccines, medicine, and religion...
@unknownuser said:
Pork byproduct in swine flu vaccine
...FOX 35 found that the swine flu mist and injectable vaccine both contain something called hydrolyzed porcine gelatin. The Centers for Disease Control confirms that the ingredient is a pork by-product used to promote temperature stability… and allow for refrigerated storage...
The whole article is here: http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/health/dpgo_101509_swine_vaccine_ingredients_4065304
Ironic or what? I want nothing to do with that vaccine...
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@d12dozr said:
Speaking of vaccines, medicine, and religion...
Pork byproduct in swine flu vaccine
...FOX 35 found that the swine flu mist and injectable vaccine both contain something called hydrolyzed porcine gelatin. The Centers for Disease Control confirms that the ingredient is a pork by-product used to promote temperature stability… and allow for refrigerated storage...
The whole article is here: http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/heal ... ts_4065304
Ironic or what? I want nothing to do with that vaccine...
If you don't want animal "by-products" in your system you'll have to give up more than vaccines: jam, jelly, marshmallows, wine, beer, chewing gum, cheese, skittles (actually, pretty much any red candy)...
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@unknownuser said:
@unknownuser said:
You home school? 'cos here in the states no vaccination or inoculation = no public school
That is an unfortunate denial of freedom. In Canada we are allowed a choice.
And as a Canadian myself, I choose to protect my family from disease and suffering, as well as protecting my fellow citizens by ensuring that I am not a source of the same.
Vaccinations have decades of strict scientificly measurable results which prove beyond a doubt that they work. I'm frankly disgusted that people refuse to protect themselves and their loved ones. Arm yourself with actual verifiable empirical data, instead of voodoo and hearsay, and you'll learn a thing or two.
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modelhead you shouldn't promote people not vaccinating their kids. Just because your children have been fine doesn't mean others will be the same. Kids die of preventable illness all the time through no vaccination....not just flu to worry about is there now.
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@unknownuser said:
@unknownuser said:
medicine is based on evidence.
You will have to work hard to prove that generalization
says it all. so next time he breaks a bone, needs to have an operation, or needs medication, do we get to call him a hypocrite? I mean.. there's no evidence that Aspirin works... or that he needs Oxygen. thats all that unproven medicine stuff. lets all be happy as we get our humors in balance and pass the leeches for the bleeding.
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I prefer cupping myself, no worms...
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If vaccination is unproven, how come the last recorded case of smallpox…something that has been with us since forever…was recorded in Somalia in 1975?
This was eradicated by means of a ruthless program of vaccination and isolation on the part of the WHO and Rotary International.
The same organisations have just received massive funding from the Gates Foundation to do the same thing for polio.
As it states in this article, the remaining cases are clustered in a few places in the back of beyond…yet when I was a kid, seeing older people in leg braces was not unusual. It was vaccine that made the difference. -
I'm as cynical about political and corporate collusion in widespread vaccine programmes as the next guy, but the vast majority of medical research is in total agreement that vaccines work. I'm no expert, but my fianceé is a doctor in immunology and although I only understand about 2% of her chosen specialism I have learned a little about how the immune system operates at a cellular level. The ability of the immune system to remember and recognise pathogens which it has previously encountered (carried by dendritic cells to the lymph nodes) by producing memory T- and B-cells is fundamental to its functioning (and to its malfunctioning i.e. allergies and autoimmune diseases). In fact, as far as I'm aware it's so fundamental that in the 21st century research is focused on a much deeper understanding of how dendritic cells and T- and B-cells actually work rather than if they work. After all, tyre companies spend their time and money researching rubber compounds and tread patterns, not whether wheels should be round.
I'm extremely wary of "Well, it never did me any harm!" advice. It reminds me of the comedian George Burns in his 90's proudly puffing away on his trademark cigar saying it "never did me any harm". It used to make me so angry- just thinking of the hundreds of thousands of men and women who spend the last decades, years, months, weeks and days of their lives hacking up blood and gasping for breath while emphysema and lung cancer ravages their bodies... but we don't see them hidden away in hospital wards and hospices- we saw George Burns beaming from the tv as though he is the true face of elderly smokers everywhere. I liked the guy as a comedian, but he should have kept his medical advice to himself.
Bruce,
In spite of what I've written above, I'm not really implying it's the same thing to suggest smoking doesn't do any harm as it is to suggest that we shouldn't automatically vaccinate our children. I just mean that the "it didn't do my kids any harm" argument is pretty weak as it's impossible to prove or disprove that your kids or grandkids would ever have caught those diseases anyway. Maybe they were never exposed to them.... maybe they've just got good genes!
Long live healthy debate!
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Tried that one already
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modelhead
One thing is saying that you don't want the vacine for the h1n1 other thing is saying that vacination and medicine are like religion and, well as your talking, a lie.
I can't even completly express how wrong (to put it ligh) i think this is. I could like the others remind you of some diceases erradication, people that would die in few months with certain diceases and now don't, the medicine helping to improve human life span etc etc etc. Instead lets make a deal. The next time your grand doughter breaks and arm or the head playing don't let any doctor see her, touch it,or even give her any of those evil antibiotics alright? Will see who's the hypocrit and disrespectfull for others people life work then...
(i, by no means, wish your family any harm)
David
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There is a huge medicalization of the human conditions going on. No wonder why some have reacted to that, denying medicals and vaccination. Developed countries would most likely look rather different, if there had not been antibiotics and vaccination. Just imagine if smallpox (Variola major) would rampage now all over the world like H1N1, it has a mortality rate of 30–35% (comparing to 0.x% of H1N1). Thanks to vaccination, you don't need to fear that.
Is H1N1 dangerous enough for a large scale vaccination that is happening now - I don't think so. Is vaccination needed for people in a risk group - more likely. Do vaccination have side effects - certainly. Finding a balance between two different risk is not a easy job. -
Ahh, the luxury of modern times. Life is so good and clean, everything in such abundance for the majority of the westernized world that we can afford to have beliefs that fly in the face of medical science, often with no ill effect.
Nothing is 100%. There will be people that have bad reactions to vaccines. There will be bad vaccines. There will be many who die of diseases that could have been avoided, or the severity reduced, had they had a vaccine; but I think this number will be much higher than the ones who had any ill effects from vaccine. So much is taken for granted.
There is no resolution to get those who chose not to believe in medical science to change their minds. They are the only ones who will suffer the consequences of their actions, but unfortunately they pass these beliefs on to others.
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this is where we leave the hypocrite to stew.
why do I call him a hypocrite? simple. to him, science / medicine is a religion followed blindly.
yet he'll happily use it's results. headache? he'll take an aspirin. get ill? he'll go to hospital. want to tell us we're wrong? he'll use a computer. he'll sit there surrounded by the trappings of science, books, television, etc, having been cared for by medical science all his life - oh, it goes beyond visiting a doctor you know. no salmonella or botulism in your food? hello medical science. - but hey. you won't care. it's wrong and unproven.. even tho there's evidence to the contrary. huge amounts of evidence. yet he won't care. his mind is closed and he's right and not one thing can change it.
I pity you and the those around you. I really do.
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@unknownuser said:
Religion and Medicine have many good points...speaking of closed minded (you think I am an idiot and that is your focus).
You are right though.(yes I can be an idiot but no one will describe me as stupid)..I take the good things from both but I don't do so blindfolded. I am very critical of those who take on the roll of a god and in both religion and medicine this is happening everyday.
@unknownuser said:
even tho there's evidence to the contrary. huge amounts of evidence.
I'm waiting for you to provide it....??
I can't. I tell you where to go tho. the LIbrary. your local University.
you won't. you will tell me thats not what you meant or that is not proven or that is not good enough.
you've already made quite clear whatever we say, produce, etc you will dismiss out of hand. and don't deny that. this thread is FULL of you doing that.
you don't want to have your mind changed, you don't want evidence. you want to bait ppl then tell them they are wrong so you can feel superior.
and again. I pity you. I don't think your stupid or an idiot. I think your mind is closed. there is a difference.
but enough of playing into your game. I have more important things to do. like Learn.
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@unknownuser said:
OK...nice chatting with ya...
....anytime!!Good, because, when I was a young lad, my next door neighbour suddenly dropped dead after receiving a prick from a rose bush, after gardening, simply because she had chosen not to be vaccinated against tetanus.
Both my kids have had the MMR vaccination, and consequently, neither of them have developed autism.
So yes, good luck to you too!
Oh yes and PS, A good drop of autistic-spectrum can be a good thing. Just think of all those wonderful scientists at CERN who are currently discovering new understanding of the universe through particle physics! If it wasn't for them, many new discoveries especially in modern medicine and low carbon emission power generation techniques would never have been discovered.
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