What has cost over 65,000 lives and $1trillion?
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I hate to break it to you Kris but the old myth of the USA 'saving' Great Britain is well past it's sell-by date...even amongst gung-ho Americans.
Hitler gave up all plans of marching down Whitehall after the failure of the Battle of Britain and the cancellation of Operation Sealion in September 1940. Just to remind you that that's well over a year before the USA decided to join the party...and it didn't join to save us, it joined because it had no choice...Germany and Japan declared war on you, not the other way round, remember? So much for sallying forth to save the world for democracy.
Given that GB maintained its air superiority and totally outclassed Germany in naval strength, exactly how would we have ended up speaking German? Any attempted amphibious landings would have resulted in complete slaughter...which is why Sealion was abandoned.
By the time America entered the war, Hitler had already sealed Germany's fate by initiating Operation Barbarossa and invading Russia 6 months earlier. After that it was only a matter of time. The Russians don't even call it WWII; it was the Great Patriotic War...everything else was a sideshow. And given the sacrifices made by them (26 million dead) there is at least some justification in that point of view.
Hell, US forces didn't even make up the majority of those that hit the beaches on D Day, much less do it single-handed. You just shout about it more than anyone else.
Try learning some history from somewhere other than Fox or Hollywood.Your analysis if Iraq is as dumb as that of WWII.
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For the uninformed.
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"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe[edit] oh.. that's aimed at you, the 'free' american… not these 30million newly freed iraqis (wtf?
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@mike lucey said:
I recently read that the Iraq war will have cost 65000 (60,000 Iraqis and 5,000 Americans) lives and $1,000,000,000,000!(Edited: Added 000)
Can anyone tell me what has this huge price delivered? I'm am not trying to be smart, just pragmatic!
I genuinely cannot see that much has been gained that could not have been gained with far less cost in human loss and wasted money on bombs etc.
Surely, if these human resources and cash were put to use more productively in a non military use the human race as a whole would be much further down to road to World Peace and resource sustainability?
Any thoughts?
They got what they wanted, Mike.
OIL.
To me it's as obvious as the nose on your face....
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How about that. I just started watching your video Jeff, thanks! 30 seconds in there it is.... OIL.
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I now know why this area is called the corner bar, because if you stay long enough you're bond to see or be apart of a fight in some way shape or form!
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Or just offer a 'pragmatic' POV.....
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@mike lucey said:
I recently read that the Iraq war will have cost 65000 (60,000 Iraqis and 5,000 Americans) lives and $1,000,000,000,000!(Edited: Added 000)
Can anyone tell me what has this huge price delivered? I'm am not trying to be smart, just pragmatic!
I genuinely cannot see that much has been gained that could not have been gained with far less cost in human loss and wasted money on bombs etc.
Surely, if these human resources and cash were put to use more productively in a non military use the human race as a whole would be much further down to road to World Peace and resource sustainability?
Any thoughts?
Mike
It changed the leaders. The only thing war changes/corrects is who is in charge. So now maybe another 5000 people will not be gassed by some asshole. And I guarantee you if you lived in a country where the leader used poison gas on your city, you would be damn glad someone came. Is it perfect, nope, long way from being perfect, however they now have another chance.
Ken
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@unknownuser said:
It changed the leaders. The only thing war changes/corrects is who is in charge. So now maybe another 5000 people will not be gassed by some asshole. And I guarantee you if you lived in a country where the leader used poison gas on your city, you would be damn glad someone came. Is it perfect, nope, long way from being perfect, however they now have another chance.
Ken
seriously man.. do you really believe the american military was in iraq to help iraqis?? jfc dude..
millions dead at the hand of some assholes
where's america at?
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Mike, my comment was jest, you know my opinion.
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Gee, Mike.
First you put out the debate about Religion then the War in Iraq? What are you doing????
Either bumping up traffic for an upcoming SCF advertising drive or 'member cleansing'; one of the two....
No Rich, NO!!!! Please don't hit the suspend button!!!!!
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@unknownuser said:
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
--Johann Wolfgang von GoetheI'm glad people (the most off) understands the truth. Good start for better in 2012...
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Your figure was apparently a little low, Mike.
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@utiler said:
They got what they wanted, Mike.
OIL.
To me it's as obvious as the nose on your face....
i second that. oil and arms industries products wholesale at least.
so much money invested in arms industries. they need to sell them.
a peaceful world wouldn't be in their first lines of preferences list.
oil obviously what makes industries still running and alive.
either way, they all come to a simple conclusion.
profitable things in capitalistic point of view. etc.for some reason, i think even though the US didn't come to europe i do believe european eventually will get what they'd wanted by themselves. most of the critical operations were done by British commandos quite well. as far as i know, the British commando known as SAS today still remains being the prototype for other special or elite troops forces development.
here's a simple word of it; none of those special or elite forces but mostly developed based on the British commando/SAS. not even navy seals or whatever that is.
(edit) and no operation will succeed if the British weren't there first behind enemy lines doing their things in their special ops.
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Mmmmm, getting lively ..... as it should. Those cartoons tell the true story.
I did not intend my post as an American bashing post. The people that I would like to bash have no allegiance to any country only to controlling power.
Many say the answer is OIL. I agree but only to a certain extent. OIL is only the commodity that is being used currently by the fist of power. When that runs out, and run out it will, the power brokers will identify another commodity to corner the market on and things will go on as usual.
I have no doubts that when oil runs out there will be some kind of energy to replace it. I believe alternative sources would be here now if sufficient investment was input but this is not happening as the power brokers have not yet figured out how to 'corner the market' on the alternatives! I've read articles about personal back yard electricity generation plants in the future ..... now that must scare the hell out of the PBs.
Maybe there is little or nothing that people can do about this situation but at least they can informed and knowledgeable about what is happening. This is not liked by the power brokers as they thrive on the general ignorance of the populous. That's why they never push thing quite too far in the West as to cause a total revolution. That is the last thing they want.
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here are some other's opinions on that matter
not to mention about the new complete chaos of sectarians clashes, etc.
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@mike lucey said:
I did not intend my post as an American bashing post.
sht, i'll bash these 'americans' all day long without thinking twice.. they've got their head^butt so far from the propaganda of "you're an american! you're the best! be proud!" that they don't want to leave the little comfy space in their brain and actually start questioning who/what is feeding them this crap.. americans are supposed to continually question and challenge our govt .. it is our single most important duty as americans to do so.. you know, the whole checks&balances thing you might of heard about in school? that responsibility is on you or the whole thing falls apart and gets overrun by crooks.. and i hate to say it but we're having one serious infestation of crooks at the moment..
wake up.. do your part..
or don't
@unknownuser said:
I believe alternative sources would be here now if sufficient investment was input but this is not happening as the power brokers have not yet figured out how to 'corner the market' on the alternatives!
yeah, it must be tough for the think tanks on this one..
@unknownuser said:
"-Now how are we supposed to sell a bucket of wind to this guy for a hundred bucks and make him feel happy about it??
-Not sure.. I mean these people are pretty damn ignorant so there must be a way
-Lets do a test run with water
-Ok
-Ha! They're actually buying the stuff for unheard of prices
-Cool.. A few more reality TV shows and terrorist threats.. they're almost ready to buy wind!
-Yay!"
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