They should not be given a lawyer
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Sigh.
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Oh Krisidious, you poor,silly,ignorant boy. How dare you defend the US. We're nothing but a bunch of capitalist pigs that are greedy,lazy,self-indulgent boors who are unaware of the world around us. We love to attack anything plus we love to rape and pillage the resources of every country that doesn't bend to our will. Sigh, you really need to get your priorities straight.
Of course if you can read this you can thank a teacher, if you can say this in your native tongue you can thank a US soldier, but that's besides the point.
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Dang Kris, Your views are extreme, actually scary.
I live in Texas an do not believe I've met anyone with such extreme right wing rhetoric.
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@o2bwln said:
Oh Krisidious, you poor,silly,ignorant boy. How dare you defend the US. We're nothing but a bunch of capitalist pigs that are greedy,lazy,self-indulgent boors who are unaware of the world around us. We love to attack anything plus we love to rape and pillage the resources of every country that doesn't bend to our will. Sigh, you really need to get your priorities straight.
Of course if you can read this you can thank a teacher, if you can say this in your native tongue you can thank a US soldier, but that's besides the point.
agree on that.
i guess some people may need to read or seek for different angle point of views.
and lucky for those some others who know well and understand what "false flag" operation might means.
cause some capitalist may need all instruments they can get to have more profit from others.
let's say oil for instance. -
Kristoff Rand
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@solo said:
Dang Kris, Your views are extreme, actually scary.
I live in Texas an do not believe I've met anyone with such extreme right wing rhetoric.
But mocking peoples religious beliefs is perfectly normal, not scary at all.
Sigh...Move along, these aren't the droids you're looking for.
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What did you expect from a liberal atheist?
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@o2bwln said:
Sigh...Move along, these aren't the droids you're looking for.
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@krisidious said:
(...) then we have the fact that America themselves had sold weapons of mass destruction to Iraq... so we know he had some, he believed he had some, his military told him he had some.
You're 'forgetting' those WMD's were never found. Hell, at one point the Bush administration expected the Iraqi government to prove they didn't have any. You can't prove a negative, but hey, who cares? Oh, remember the yellowcake thing? I do.
@krisidious said:
(...) as a result of the invasion 30 million people are deciding their own destiny, will it be successful? probably not; if mankind is any indicator. but they have the chance, and I for one am proud to be a citizen of the nation who helped bring it to them.
You're ... proud. Excuse me while I retch. The US invasion didn't bring freedom to Iraq. It brought chaos, anguish and death. Which the Bush administration was repeatedly warned of. They chose to ignore these warnings. They were bent on keeping the invasion 'small', as that would help 'sell' it to the American public. It's all pretty well documented.
You needn't believe me, obviously. Travel to Baghdad, explain that bit about being proud to any given passer-by, and see whether he/she agrees.
@krisidious said:
as for torture? talk to John McCain... when just one of these terrorists has gotten treatment 10% of what that man endured then I may feel sorry for the murderous bastards who blow up innocent women and kids for their own selfish beliefs.
It's absolutely baffling an adult would write this sort of dense, sophistic bs. You don't do logic and reason, do you? And while we're on the subject of dead women and children, how many died because of Rumsfeld's and Wolfowitz' Straussian agenda? Good thing, though, their families are now able "to decide their own destiny". Yay!
@krisidious said:
I say we set them all free... in the middle of the ocean.
Without trial, no doubt.
@krisidious said:
(...) that she is not given the benefit of the doubt or even the respect of her sacrifices weight.
Wait, wait. Despite the fact there's ample proof, including the testimonies of former Bush administration members, the US invaded Iraq under false pretence, you'd still like us to go "oh, help yourselves", because you, well, are you and because you sent quite a few US soldiers to their deaths for no good reason at all?
That makes sense.
@krisidious said:
(...) our children lay their life and limb down and I promise you they do it for the liberty of the oppressed and the weak, not the Halliburtons of the world, regardless of the intent of politicians.
Whatever 'your children' believe, is irrelevant. It's cold, hard facts that matter, not rhetorics.
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The views expressed here by K are really scary.. I just hope that this right wing bullshit is not widely supported in US.
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I did my disseration for my Master's degree on the whole history of Iraq and conflict in the XXth century. The seeds of conflict were sown as early as the 1920s right after WWI when Iraq became a British protectorate.
Kuwait which until then had been a port city was cut from the southern province of Basra and made a state for the interest of the British. The Kurdish territories in the north were never actually part of what was Iraq in the past but despite the fact that they had different peoples and religions than the majority of Iraq was still incorporated by the British into Iraq as it held important oil reserves. Because of these issues and many others Iraq wasn't a very stable country until the Ba'th party with Saddam as an important member came to power in the late 60s.
Then lets not forget that the Iraq-Iran war of the 1980s was supported by the USA and its allies in the region.
The Kuwait occupation of 1990 should be judged in the right context. Iraq was weakend economically by the war, it was indebted with tens of billions of dollars to Kuwait which also demanded the sum to be payed back at once. Further more Kuwait had occupied the oil fields of southern Basra and didn't want to give them back, it was rigid when negotiation with Iraq and it also undermined Iraq's economy by selling its oil under the OPEC quota, fully supported by the US in this.
These problems combined with the fact Kuwait was considered Iraqi territory and the USA didn't make its intentions very clear is what actually lead to the Gulf War. It seamed to Saddam to be an easy way of solving all his problems.
It was all in the interest of the USA. If they really had wanted to depose of Saddam who they knew was a very cruel leader they could have easily done so then when they also had a lot of support from the population.
They willingly left the Iraqi people to suffer for another 13 years and then went to war against them under false pretenses. WAY TO GO!I don't hate the USA but I do hate the hypocrisy of its policies and its leaders.
How do you destroy a country?
With two bushes!
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