Did a God or Gods create the universe? EDITED
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@michaliszissiou said:
So he didn't create humor. At least there is something god didn't create.
What is this? Humor.
How do you know all these cornel?God is not playful, comic, ironic, etc.
In addition, He gives us the full and eternal joy, not an occasional one..., not just a little and temporary ... -
@unknownuser said:
God is not playful, comic, ironic, etc.
In addition, He gives us the full and eternal joy, not an occasional one..., not just a little and temporary ...Ahhhh, come on Cornel! You must be joking! If, according to you, God created all things, he DID create humour! The jedeo-christian god of the Bible claims to have created man (Adam) in his own likeness!
Nearly all humans have some sense of humour .... but again, I often wonder about you at times
Then again, I have a feeling you are actually pulling our leg a lot of the time 
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Watched an interesting TV interview of Richard Branson, an agnostic. During the interview he quoted Gandhi a number of times. Out of curiosity I did a quick search and found Gandhi's Views On God
http://www.gandhi-manibhavan.org/gandhiphilosophy/philosophy_god_god.htm Well worth the read.Richard Branson also mentioned that he was just back from a conference of The Elders, independent global leaders working together for peace and human rights. He also joked that if he was around Bishop Desmond Tuto for much longer he feels he might be converted and the thing he admires most about Desmond Tutu is his great sense of humor!
The Elders is also well worth checking out, http://www.theelders.org/
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Yup, if there is a god, then he certainly gave us humour. If you think about it, humour is one of the few things we possess that other creatures can't really be said to. Other creatures certainly possess a sense of fun, but I'm not so sure they possess a sense of irony, sarcasm or self-deprecation. What they do possess is pretty much all our other attributes like happiness, anger, jealousy, hope, disappointment. It's unthinkable that the one thing we do possess that differentiates us from other creatures would not be god-given. If it wasn't, what use would he be?
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@unknownuser said:
God is not playful, comic, ironic, etc...
How dull.
That's not how I read the Bible. -
"But You, O Lord, shall laugh at them; . . . " (Psalm 59:8, NKJV)
... or how about example (in the Bible) of Jesus' sense of humour. Not exactly Paddy the Irishman, Paddy the Englishman and Paddy the Scottish man jokes but never the less ..
How did Jesus use HUMOR to teach about God?
http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/how-did-jesus-use-humor-to-teach-about-god.html -
Well, one thing we are now certain is that Cornel has no sense of humour
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Jesus, 'Peter, you are the rock on which I shall build my church...'
A pretty weak pun on the fact that the name 'Peter' actually means 'rock' ! A connection we lost over time. But probably brought the house down in its time!!And of course God must have have a very weird sense of humor when designing love-making, basic-sex and the resultant child-birth - where the main bits you need to use are also used in eating/drinking/breathing/talking/urinating/etc and which are therefore also very near to the defecating parts too which hardly seems hygienic !
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@tig said:
Jesus, 'Peter, you are the rock on which I shall build my church...'
A pretty weak pun on the fact that the name 'Peter' actually means 'rock' ! A connection we lost over time. But probably brought the house down in its time!!And of course God must have have a very weird sense of humor when designing love-making, basic-sex and the resultant child-birth - where the main bits you need to use are also used in eating/drinking/breathing/talking/urinating/etc and which are therefore also very near to the defecating parts too which hardly seems hygienic !
Ahhh ...... but surely evolution will in time, a long time, modify the location of these 'parts' if the people with parts in slightly better locations are 'favoured' and end up breeding more!
We have seen this before,
'Humanity may split into two sub-species in 100,000 years' time as predicted by HG Wells, an expert has said.' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6057734.stm
and the other side of the argument!
'Professor Steve Jones believes human evolution is over'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1070671/Evolution-stops-Future-Man-look-says-scientist.html#ixzz1kwlg0KgZI don't think human evolution is over at all. Just looking at average height increase around the world shows that it is continuing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height
But again, I believe that the max height a human could reach is in the region of 3m as the skeletal structure could not support a greater height.
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@tig said:
And of course God must have have a very weird sense of humor when designing love-making, basic-sex and the resultant child-birth - where the main bits you need to use are also used in eating/drinking/breathing/talking/urinating/etc and which are therefore also very near to the defecating parts too which hardly seems hygienic !
I heard a comedian put it slightly different: "God must have been an engineer because he put our recreation and sewer departments in the same park just to save space."
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@unknownuser said:
@michaliszissiou said:
So he didn't create humor. At least there is something god didn't create.
What is this? Humor.
How do you know all these cornel?God is not playful, comic, ironic, etc.
In addition, He gives us the full and eternal joy, not an occasional one..., not just a little and temporary ...The Ten Commandments state GOD is a jealous god. And, there are instances of HIM being angry and vengeful. Yet, HE must have love, too, for HE "gave his only begotten son" for us. How can you claim he doesn't have playful or comic emotions when he has displayed a range of other emotions?
If HE didn't have a sense of humor, how do you explain people? Is there a more ridiculous animal on the planet?
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"The good news is that Jesus is coming back. The bad news is that he's really pissed off." ~ Bob Hope
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@unknownuser said:
The Ten Commandments state GOD is a jealous god
zygmunt freud's quotes? An egoist then?
OK then, to call a god 'egoist', any god, it's somehow...
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@mike lucey said:
"But You, O Lord, shall laugh at them;... " (Psalm 59:8, NKJV)
Thi is not an "example of Jesus sense of humour"!
The meaning of "laugh" is different than "humor" or "comic", because God is spirit...!Bible does not use vague and confusing terms, like “HUMOR” ...!
From God, through His spirit, we receive such (well defined) gifts/'fruits': love, JOY, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, etc.
The JOY can be easy combined with GLADNESS (but not with “humor”…). See verses like:
Deuteronomy 28:47, Esther 8:16-17, Psalm 51:8, 105:43, Isaiah 35:10, 51:3, 51:11, etc. -
@daniel said:
The Ten Commandments state GOD is a jealous god. And, there are instances of HIM being angry and vengeful. Yet, HE must have love, too, for HE "gave his only begotten son" for us. How can you claim he doesn't have playful or comic emotions when he has displayed a range of other emotions?
Daniel, do you judge God as a man?!?!
"The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14) -
@michaliszissiou said:
The Ten Commandments state GOD is a jealous god
zygmunt freud's quotes? An egoist then?
OK then, to call a god 'egoist', any god, it's somehow...It's another kind of JEALOUSY...(a divine one)! See for example James 4:5(TNIV):
“Or do you think Scripture says without reason that he jealously longs for the spirit he has caused to dwell in us?”()
"Footnotes: () Or that the spirit he caused to dwell in us envies intensely; or that the Spirit he caused to dwell in us longs jealously" -
@unknownuser said:
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
An egoist God. I mean... The Egoist.
Three religions coming from the same place.
All these other billions of people... what about them, are they lost souls?
This I can not believe. By all means. Especially when thinking that people under these three well known religions made the worst crimes ever. -
Excuse me if I point out the bleeding-obvious...
God is nobody's individual 'God'.
Logically God can not 'belong' to anyone.
So IF God exists then God will be different from EVERYONE'S perception - absolutely everyone's - no matter how 'devoted' you might think you are.
So why argue about it at all - it can never be resolved - at least not here on Earth ?
So, believe in your own version[s] of God [if you must], but please leave others to believe in their own version[s] [or 'none'] if they wish to...
'Your' own 'God' is supposedly 'bigger than all of us' [I do hope so!], so let us give God some breathing room and thereby get on with our dreary lives.... and leave God in peace, to get on with whatever it is that God does [which of course we could never really know of anyway [EVER] !"]...
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hmmm, TIG, logical enough. So why was the title of the thread changed to "and Gods"? With multiple Gods, it seems that some of them can be personal, kind of like the ancient Greek gods.
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@andybot said:
hmmm, TIG, logical enough. So why was the title of the thread changed to "and Gods"? With multiple Gods, it seems that some of them can be personal, kind of like the ancient Greek gods.
God exists, because His work is perceptible, and tells us greatly...! Each of us believes that his/her own God is the true one (is That Who created and controls everything), but, because there can be Only One (others are false gods, idols...), means that each of us must check the veracity of respective faith.
If your faith do not provide your salvation, and not changed your life, you have to change that useless faith!
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