Do you smoke?
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@unknownuser said:
People are slaves to whatever has mastered them: cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, adultery, and so on…
Like fundamental religion?
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I feel a scripture quote coming.
On a more serious note, I do believe religion, if practiced with moderation and intelligence, can be, well, liberating.@unknownuser said:
@ TomDC. Don’t be reductionist, regarding self-control! People are slaves to whatever has mastered them: cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, adultery, and so on…
Are you deliberately 'not getting' my point? If so: knock it off. It's annoying.
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@ 'TomDC'. Say what you mean by self-control?
I, "deliberately", do not want to accept compromises! “It's annoying”, isn’t it?! -
Aaand you're on my 'foes' list. That's self-control.
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@ TomDC.
Do not hurry my friend! You misinterpreted! -
Self-control is not something by itself, separately; it is like an offs/link in the spirit chain:
“The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, SELF-CONTROL. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.” (Galatians 5:22-24)
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Cornel, this is another thread you've used as an opportunity to proselytize in. There are forums elsewhere available for you to preach in.
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EscapeArtist, be to the subject!
Can a man be with self-control, apart from the peace, longsuffering, gentleness..., and so on?!
Can a man be ‘expert’ in self-control only?! -
Cornel, I have to agree with Jeff. There is a time and place for everything. I think we are becoming a little annoyed with your continuous quotes from the Bible and I doubt 'God' intended his words to annoy anyone!
Nothing against the Bible but I think if I continuously quoted Homer Simpson I would also be put on the ignore lists of many. So please drop the quotes and lets hear your views on matters without the supporting Bible quotes.
BTW, Homer has uttered a few religious related comments!
God bless those pagans. --Homer Simpson
Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else, and it hasn't, it's that girls should stick to girls sports, such as hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing and such and such. --Homer Simpson
There are more to be found here http://impinknet.tripod.com/Homer.html
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I walk happily on a sidewalk chatting with a friend and then I stop at a red light . Of a sudden I get a cloud of cigarette smoke right into my face. Perplexed ,saddened a bit angry I make couple of steps back to try to breath normally ,because in front of me a 17 year old kid just fired up his cigarette .
Every time I walk by a smoking guy/gal I change direction and if I can't, I keep my breath until he/she passes . The smoke in the clothes will be there for couple of hours and sometime they need to be washed .I will let you get the conclusions !
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@unknownuser said:
I walk happily on a sidewalk chatting with a friend and then I stop at a red light . Of a sudden I get a cloud of cigarette smoke right into my face.
Yet you are happy to breath in the fumes from passing cars....
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@solo said:
@unknownuser said:
I walk happily on a sidewalk chatting with a friend and then I stop at a red light . Of a sudden I get a cloud of cigarette smoke right into my face.
Yet you are happy to breath in the fumes from passing cars....
Since you are saying that I suppose you don't own a car and you're using a bicycle or something electric?
We all agree that using car is a necessity(most of the time) . Yet,the car fume is not something that you feel right in your face and with such intensity especially if you don't drive one.
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@solo said:
@unknownuser said:
I walk happily on a sidewalk chatting with a friend and then I stop at a red light . Of a sudden I get a cloud of cigarette smoke right into my face.
Yet you are happy to breath in the fumes from passing cars....
Ironically, some modern cars output cleaner air than they are taking in.
There is a very big difference between having smoke blown into your face and getting down on all fours to have vehicle exhaust blown onto you. One is a choice and the other is forced upon us.
In my case I am happy to not live in a big city where the forced consumption of vehicle exhaust is a constant feature of life on the street.
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@mike lucey said:
Cornel, I have to agree with Jeff. There is a time and place for everything. I think we are becoming a little annoyed with your continuous quotes from the Bible and I doubt 'God' intended his words to annoy anyone!
Nothing against the Bible but I think if I continuously quoted Homer Simpson I would also be put on the ignore lists of many. So please drop the quotes and lets hear your views on matters without the supporting Bible quotes.
BTW, Homer has uttered a few religious related comments!
God bless those pagans. --Homer Simpson
Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else, and it hasn't, it's that girls should stick to girls sports, such as hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing and such and such. --Homer Simpson
There are more to be found here http://impinknet.tripod.com/Homer.html
Hang on.... maybe Cornel is GOD!
http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=179&t=41758You started it...
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@ Mike Lucey (re. Bible vs. H.S.),
I do not waste my time with Homer Simpson 's quotes. Some are interesting enunciated, but do not contain practical teaching....But, for those who study seriously, “all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16)
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@unknownuser said:
(2 Timothy 3:16)
I am Timothy (strictly speaking Lt.Col. Sir Tim, but never mind) and you are abusing my words and my patience. You are acting as a bad guest in someone's house and generally like a total cad and bounder. Anyone with an ounce of decency would withdraw and cease such poor behaviour.
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BUT...
Cornel, did [your] God say anything about "smoking" in 'His' scriptures?
Or anything that could be construed as even slightly connected with that topic ?
After all that is the very basis of this thread...
It is not a Bible-class.
Unless God [via you] has some relevant input here, then you have nothing useful to contribute to this thread. -
You can smoke in church.
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@tig said:
Cornel, did [your] God say anything about "smoking" in 'His' scriptures?
'TIG', primarily in the Scriptures, God shows us some principles. Examples, both positive and negative, from the Bible does not refer directly to smoking, but warns us about the waste of our health, energy, time, money, and so on… Also, there are references to moderation, self-control, patience, etc.
Take it logically, not speculative...!
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Cornel
There are many publications extolling all of these 'virtues', set against a list of various 'vices'.
Your source is not unique; or indeed original in that regard, having been pipped by many classical scholars and philosophers many years previously.
So... what specific unique insights does your source bring to bear on this particular debate [if any] ?
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