Do you smoke?
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Personally I don't smoke any more. But I don't condemn those who do. And the last thing I want to do is to ban anything at all- especially smoking. Individuals should be allowed to make their own minds up whether they can smoke or not. Currently British smokers have less rights than farmyard pigs! This is wrong!
The British chef Antony Worrall Thompson has created a petition to canvas the UK government to reconsider their position on smoking in Britain- especially places like clubs and pubs. I miss the acrid stench of the British fag!
Thompson is trying to raise 100,000 signatures. Spread the word by signing up here;
(Original source, Joe Jacksons's website here; http://www.joejackson.com/smoking.php)
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@tfdesign said:
Individuals should be allowed to make their own minds up whether they can smoke or not.
No-one is telling smokers they aren't allowed to smoke. They (we-I smoke) aren't allowed to smoke in certain places. The difference between these two concepts is hardly a subtle one.
As for making one's mind up for oneself - that's precisely what smoking bans allow for.
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drugs ?
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It's like getting advice from Ozzy Osbourne
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I'll have what Pilou's having.....
Me, smoke; nope.
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Well, here smoking in closed public places like bars will be banned from January. The funny thing is that law allows municipalities to ban smoking in certain open air public areas, too. In my town, you cannot smoke within 50 metres from cultural institution (like museums, concert halls, libraries), schools, churches, government offices, bus stops, playgrounds, pedestrian traffic lights etc. This means that in the whole city centre, there is only about a twenty metres stretch of one, single street where we can smoke. Or in fact, right outside the cathedral as that's not public property.
Ah well, maybe time to stop smoking. Or maybe I will also convert to those "e-cigs" (although I will definitely miss the stink).
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... and if something like this gets through .... well ventilated smoking rooms in pubs and clubs .... which room will the the fullest even with non smokers? The smoking room of course!
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I have nothing against people who smoke, if they want to risk cancer and posioning then it is their choice.
One of the reasons for tha ban in the UK was the allow non-smokers to be in pubs and clubs with out risking cancer or posioning.
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bring back smoking on airplanes.
in NYC, you can't even smoke on the beach.
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Toby, I completely agree with the protection of non-smokers. However with today's technology, a pub or bar can be equipped with a ventilation system that should get all the smoke out of the air. Or why not allow separate rooms at least?
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You can smoke on planes. If you're on a first class flight use their toilets
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Just be sure to flush after each exhale.
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@unknownuser said:
You can smoke on planes. If you're on a first class flight use their toilets
I was on a flight last year in which two girls did just that..
we land and pull up to the gate then sat there for 45 minutes or so while the air marshalls came on board to arrest them.. then paperwork etc..talk about an irate group of passengers...
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@gaieus said:
Toby, I completely agree with the protection of non-smokers. However with today's technology, a pub or bar can be equipped with a ventilation system that should get all the smoke out of the air. Or why not allow separate rooms at least?
I agree 100% with this. It's how it should have been in the first place. It's been really enlightening reading these pieces by Joe Jackson on this blog;
A smoker's guide to Europe and beyond (part one)
&
A smoker's guide to Europe and beyond (part two)
@tobobo said:
One of the reasons for tha ban in the UK was the allow non-smokers to be in pubs and clubs with out risking cancer or posioning.
Well yes, if there actually was any evidence to support this claim...?!;
@unknownuser said:
*Dr Ken Denson, a medical professional who is prepared say what others only think, puts it more bluntly: "The ill effects of passive smoking are still intuition rather than scientific fact... All in all, the medical evidence for any deleterious effect of passive smoking is extremely tenuous and it is unlikely that it would ever stand up in a court of law."
A recent report by the International Agency for Research on Cancer reveals that, "In total, 23 studies have been published on [workplace] exposure to secondhand smoke. Only one reported a statistically significant association between exposure to secondhand smoke at the workplace and risk for lung cancer." One out of 23 is usually dismissed as a rogue result.
Since then, further evidence has been published by the BMJ. In March 2005 it offered fresh data suggesting that passive smoking may kill 11,000 people a year in the UK. The crucial word is "may". If there is a direct causal link between secondary smoking and lung cancer it is so tiny that dedicated campaigners have struggled to identify it. Scotland's Green Party, hardly a promoter of smoking, recently alleged that more Scots are killed by exhaust fumes than by secondary smoke.*
As for poisoning? Poisoning from what? The governments lack of direction only intending to appease the populate simply to get re-elected?
OT: 'Steppin' Out' by Joe Jackson (one of my all time fave singles!)
[flash=850,688:1143yeki]http://www.youtube.com/v/dopneKcyNXU?s=1&hl=en_GB&fs=1&&[/flash:1143yeki]
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@unknownuser said:
@tfdesign said:
Individuals should be allowed to make their own minds up whether they can smoke or not.
No-one is telling smokers they aren't allowed to smoke. They (we-I smoke) aren't allowed to smoke in certain places. The difference between these two concepts is hardly a subtle one.
As for making one's mind up for oneself - that's precisely what smoking bans allow for.
Erm.... not according to the BMA! They want you to stop smoking in your own car. Even if you are the only person driving it!!!
@unknownuser said:
The toxic levels that can quickly build up inside a car are up to 23 times the levels found in a smoky bar, the BMA says. Children (passengers in this context) absorb such toxins faster than adults and may also acquire the smoking habit. Some 80,000 people a year still die of smoking-related illnesses in Britain. The figures are awful.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2011/nov/16/banning-smoking-cars-authoritarian-solutionThe real problem though, is that the evidence is unfounded!;
@unknownuser said:
We traced the evolution of this “myth turned fact” to emphasize that only credible evidence should be presented to advance policy. Solid evidence has been the foundation of the progress made in tobacco control in recent decades. The biggest danger of inaccurately interpreting research on smoking in cars for the sake of a snappy media sound bite is to lose favour with an overwhelmingly supportive public and to provide ammunition for opponents of tobacco control.
We recommend that researchers and organizations stop using the 23 times more toxic factoid because there appears to be no evidence for it in the scientific literature. Instead, advocates of smoking bans in cars should simply state that exposure to second-hand smoke in cars poses a significant health risk and that vulnerable children who cannot remove themselves from this smoky environment must be protected. Further, we recommend citing the 2006 study by Rees and Connelly 34 as reliable evidence that the level of particulate matter found in cars where smoking is allowed exceeds that in the safety guidelines of the US Environmental Protection Agency, particularly for children.
Again, really worth a read!
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@tfdesign said:
Erm.... not according to the BMA! They want you to stop smoking in your own car. Even if you are the only person driving it!!!
Ah, yes. I did read about that.
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Well, whoever smokes in a car where there are children, should be charged for serious assholism IMO. But why on earth could I not smoke when I am alone? Or with another person who also smokes?
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@Rich O'Brien
I take only this!
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Something to read http://www.who.int/tobacco/en/
Bep
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@bep said:
Something to read http://www.who.int/tobacco/en/
Well waddaya know! "WHO opens Centre for Tobacco Control in Africa". It's that word "Africa" again.
Keep 'em all in mud huts say the World Health Organisation! This is all getting rather predictable......
@unknownuser said:
Tobacco is one of the major contributors to NCDs - heart attacks, strokes, cancers, diabetes, asthma and other chronic diseases together account for 63% of all deaths worldwide. In the 46 countries of the WHO African Region, noncommunicable diseases are expected to increase by 27% in the next decade and will account for more than 50% of all deaths by 2030.
Is that so? What about 'vaping' or taking in the form of Snuss?? The above only really applies to smoking tobacco! Of course America is still allowed to grow it, for manufacture in use of Electronic cigarettes and the like as well as anti-smoking products?
I hope these zany human-loving philanthropists Bill and Melissa have clear consciences?
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