UK Riots
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@alan fraser said:
The rioters are just criminal kids of useless parents...nothing political about it at all. It has everything to do with yobs demanding respect when they've done nothing to earn it. These people are dressed in expensive designer sportswear and coordinating themselves with Blackberries. To blame it on poverty is an insult to the poor.
This is what you get when you spend the last 40 years emasculating all those in society in some kind of position to make up for the inadequacies of some parents in terms of inculcating some kind of morality and social reponsibility into their offspring. The parents are every bit as much to blame as the kids themselves. I wonder how many of those dysfunctional parents will actually do anything when their twelve-year-old finally returns in the early hours dragging a 42" plasma TV behind him? Nary a one, I'll bet.
And all this from a guy who's politically left of centre.
I couldn't have put it better myself.
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I am clueless about what is going on in Britain.
But it does not look like it is a peaceful thing
Sure it has happened for a reason. I think it is that reason which people in Britain should address with heart and compassion for others and not under the common words places.
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This is a bit wider information. http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/world/11343277.asp
"The greed that is driving people is tearing us apart," said Steve Lamont, 45, flanked by his family and protesters who were banging on bells, playing drums and blowing whistles.@unknownuser said:
Sure it has happened for a reason. I think it is that reason which people in Britain should address with heart and compassion for others and not under the common words places.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with the G20 (that was months ago) or even the current recession. Most of those taking part would probably think the G20 was a new kind of game console. Please stop trying to paint it as something it is not. It is pure lawlessness...nothing more.
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@alan fraser said:
Any sympathy ought to be with those innocent people who have lost their homes and businesses.
correct Alan
but do not forget what the tv is saying about, that it has all started because of the anarchists. That is a common place - word for those events. I think it does have to be investigated deeper. -
Enjoy the fruits of the multiculturalism and tolerance. And don't worry in 20 years GB will be a quiet place under the
shariah regime
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True Juan...some of it has been orchestrated by anarchists; at least in the early stages, but now it's taken on a life of its own. Personally, I'd scoop the lot of them up and dump them on some deserted island off the west coast and just leave them to their own devices. If they don't like this society, let them build their own instead of sponging off the rest of us.
Maybe in a year or two whatever few are left could be repatriated and be a little more appreciative of living in a First World country.
In the words of Joni Mitchell..."Don't it always seem to go? And you don't know what you've got till it's gone."
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Alan has already put the case very well.
There are many things wrong with society in the UK, but...
We have bred a feckless ill-educated 'under-class' over the last thirty years. They have no respect for themselves or others; they are without proper values or beliefs, and also have few prospects of breaking out of this; but ironically they are not 'poor' - these youths have what seems to be an adequate supply of funds from their criminality, topped up their parents' cash and of course with government [i.e. 'our'] handouts - hence their 'blackberry' phones used to organize there wanton mayhem...When anyone is killed it is sad [even when they were seemingly 'no good'] - but then we must not forget that this young man who was killed by the police was traveling around the city carrying an illegal hand-gun; and armed-police seeking to arrest him may well have felt they had no choice except to shoot him, to protect themselves or others. He chose the life-style - many others in similar positions to him have not become gun-totting gangsters - getting shot [by the police or other gangsters] was a 'risk of the job' that he and his family must accept. He doesn't deserve our sympathy, but his wider family might - although his parents might want to look at themselves - after all in his early life they gave him his base values [if any], which inevitably led to this sad conclusion.
The gangs of yobs who are 'rioting' are not interested in 'justice' or 'political change' [after all even 'anarchy' is a political ideal] and there is no 'religious' or 'racial' basis [although the gangs do seem to have a disproportionately high number of young black men; but that's almost certainly a result of the immediate neighborhoods and 'gang-culture', rather than an impending 'race-war']... These gangs are quite simply greedy looters, thieves, arsonists and thugs; who are without any 'morality' or any thought for the lives of the ordinary people that they are ruining or endangering.
They are certainly not standing peacefully protesting with the immediate family outside of the local nick [many of them are not even in the same city let alone neighborhood!]; they are not even seen to be making 'conventional' demonstrations [with violence] aimed at the police [whom we might accept as the target of their anger, if they felt 'wronged'].
They are quite simply roaming their neighborhoods in gangs, at night armed with knives and baseball-bats etc, will the sole aim of intimidating others, to give them the chance to commit muggings or smash into targeted shops/homes/bars etc to steal what they perceive as 'luxury items' - cash, jewelry, mobile-phones, alcohol, drugs, TVs, designer-clothes, trainers etc; their stone-throwing-at-the-police and wider arson attacks are simply to distract the police from catching them as they then have multiple problems...
It is very well organized, orchestrated and premeditated - remember that a 'good citizen' doesn't normally find himself walking down the street carrying a knife or a baseball bat or a can of petrol, and then gets unexpectedly caught up in an affray.
It's a sad day for the mainland UK when even the most liberal minded consider it a good idea that we have water-cannons, rubber-bullets, tear-gas, curfews, regularly-armed-police, soldiers etc... on the streets of of our cities.
But as they say, "A fascist is only a liberal who has been mugged!"
Unfortunately we 'bred' [or at least turned a blind-eye to, or tolerated, the rise of] the 'rabid dogs' of this 'under-class'... so we must now deal with them accordingly...
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Tig
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Tig
@tig said:
It's a sad day for the mainland UK when even the most liberal minded consider it a good idea that we have water-cannons, rubber-bullets, tear-gas, curfews, regularly-armed-police, soldiers etc... on the streets of of our cities.
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Great post TIG, agree with everything you've said.
Your last sentence is perhaps the most pertinent though;
@unknownuser said:
so we must now deal with them accordingly...
How we do this is the $64000 question.
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@unknownuser said:
so we must now deal with them accordingly...
Affirmative community action to send a clear message
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@unknownuser said:
Affirmative community action to send a clear message
you guys go fast¡ -
Been watching this on PBS and a few local news channels, funny how they all seemed to forget to mention the guy was armed, I was under the impression based on the reporting I saw that it was some sort of racial or socio-economic issue or harsh police brutallity.
That does change things, yikes guys! this is indeed a grim situation, with the Olympics around the corner this is a huge mess.
I hope calm and order prevails, maybe a very strict curfew for a few weeks.
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Good Post Tig,
I thought Diane Abbot MP for Hackney summed it up very well with the phrase 'recreational looting'.
Must admit i am a little concerned for the safety of my workshop located in one of the more deprived parts of Liverpool not far from problems last night. Not sure if i should stay late tonight just to see......or what could I do anyway.
Sam
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@solo said:
, maybe a very strict curfew for a few weeks.
that would make things go worse and would not solve. I think Representatives of the Neighbourhoods Councils affected should do meetings with the living people there and meet in a soft way. Curfew for itself is unacceptable now if we look to bring peace and understanding. Was not it sólo ?.
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@juanv.soler said:
@solo said:
, maybe a very strict curfew for a few weeks.
that would make things go worse and would not solve. I think Representatives of the Neighbourhoods Councils affected should do meetings with the living people there and meet in a soft way. Curfew for itself is unacceptable now if we look to bring peace and understanding. Was not it sólo ?.
I'm not suggesting a solution as I have no clue about the dynamics of the situation,I was just thinking aloud.
On our side of the world the media initially tried to make it look like a bunch of football hooligans on a rampage, then as the riots continued they tried to make it into a Rodney king scenario making a martyr of the guy who was killed, now they are calling it a cancer which is apparently spreading from London to other cities. Our media is notorious for getting the story wrong, but that's never stopped them from reporting as facts just get in the way of a juicy story. -
@lobster said:
Good Post Tig,
I thought Diane Abbot MP for Hackney summed it up very well with the phrase 'recreational looting'.
Must admit i am a little concerned for the safety of my workshop located in one of the more deprived parts of Liverpool not far from problems last night. Not sure if i should stay late tonight just to see......or what could I do anyway.
Sam
Yeah its bad times. I got caught in the flashpoint of the riot in Brixton on Sunday and now back home on my friends road last night in Liverpool cars getting torched! Last night there where 6000 officers in London on the streets tonight they have drafted in another 10000.
My friend in Peckham down the road had to evacuate his flat last night as they looted the argos store he lives above, totally cleaned it out.
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Photos like this slightly restore my faith in humanity as the clean up begins ...
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@rv1974 said:
Enjoy the fruits of the multiculturalism and tolerance. And don't worry in 20 years GB will be a quiet place under the
shariah regimeActually from the reports the Muslim and Turkish communities were the only ones who banded together to protect businesses in their neighbourhoods - succeeding where the police weren't.
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