[Plugin] Cutlister

bagatelo

Metric options is very interesting to me... Thanks....

ishboo

@bagatelo said:

Metric options is very interesting to me... Thanks....

Well, I guess I'll have to start working on metric integration...

Dave R

Thanks for offering your plugin here. It's a good thing although it doesn't work for me with my preferred work flow.

ishboo

@dave r said:

Thanks for offering your plugin here. It's a good thing although it doesn't work for me with my preferred work flow.

Could you elaborate more? I'm interested in hearing what others are doing out there... Is it doing something different than what you are used to with Steve's plugin?

This plugin is very much a work in process and new features/functionality will be added as time goes on. Always open to suggestions.

Dave R

As I said before, I rarely apply materials to models from which I generate cut lists. I don't want to have to add another step to the modeling process so that things can be sorted into lumber, sheet materials or hardware. Steve's CutList v4.x works perfectly for me in that respect. I think I'll stick to that. It does metric, too.

thomthom

@ishboo said:

@bagatelo said:

Metric options is very interesting to me... Thanks....

Well, I guess I'll have to start working on metric integration...

SketchUp Length class is pretty much all you need to use. Everything in SketchUp is internally in inches, but the Length class will convert the internal units into a presentable string in the current model units.

Length, Numeric and String all have methods useful when dealing with units.

ishboo

@dave r said:

As I said before, I rarely apply materials to models from which I generate cut lists. I don't want to have to add another step to the modeling process so that things can be sorted into lumber, sheet materials or hardware. Steve's CutList v4.x works perfectly for me in that respect. I think I'll stick to that. It does metric, too.

I see. Are you using the sort by component name option in his plugin? Could you send me a drawing so I can see what you're doing and maybe I could integrate it.

I'll be working on metric shortly, shouldn't be too tough. I left it out initially because I needed to focus on other aspects.

ishboo

@thomthom said:

SketchUp Length class is pretty much all you need to use. Everything in SketchUp is internally in inches, but the Length class will convert the internal units into a presentable string in the current model units.

Length, Numeric and String all have methods useful when dealing with units.

Thanks thomthom I'll be looking into that shortly!

Dave R

Dana, I am adding words like 'ply', 'MDF', etc. to component definition names to get them to sort into the Sheet Materials section of the cut list.

I don't have a model available at the moment but I'll hunt around and see what I can find.

Dave

Bertier

hello,

I am a woodworkertoo, and I use cutlist
I had great talks with Steve about it and what I'd like to do...

one of the main things is we have sheets around here that don't match US or NZ ones...

I'd like to be able to create a list of standard boards and sheets for us...

that would be great to start

and of course I talk metrics...

MERCI !

unclebim

@bertier said:

hello,

I am a woodworkertoo, and I use cutlist
I had great talks with Steve about it and what I'd like to do...

one of the main things is we have sheets around here that don't match US or NZ ones...

I'd like to be able to create a list of standard boards and sheets for us...

that would be great to start

and of course I talk metrics...

MERCI !

That is what would matter most for us here in Europe I think. Thank you ishboo for your contribution with this plugin!

ishboo

@dave r said:

Dana, I am adding words like 'ply', 'MDF', etc. to component definition names to get them to sort into the Sheet Materials section of the cut list.

I don't have a model available at the moment but I'll hunt around and see what I can find.

Dave

I see. Well, I will have to think about if I want to add that in as a feature...

If you could send me a drawing when you find one that would be great.

Btw, in what capacity do you do woodworking if you don't mind me asking? Like, do you do it as a hobby, a one man shop or a medium to large cabinet shop?

Cheers,
Dana W

ishboo

@bertier said:

hello,

I am a woodworkertoo, and I use cutlist
I had great talks with Steve about it and what I'd like to do...

one of the main things is we have sheets around here that don't match US or NZ ones...

I'd like to be able to create a list of standard boards and sheets for us...

that would be great to start

and of course I talk metrics...

MERCI !

Are you speaking about the layout feature that Steve's plugin does? Currently Cutlister does not do layouts but may some day.

Sorry if I misunderstand your question...

And yes, metric will be top on my list

Cheers,
Dana W

ishboo

@unclebim said:

:thumb: That is what would matter most for us here in Europe I think. Thank you ishboo for your contribution with this plugin!

Thanks!

Yes, metric will be the next thing I work on!

Cheers,
Dana W

Dave R

@ishboo said:

@dave r said:

Dana, I am adding words like 'ply', 'MDF', etc. to component definition names to get them to sort into the Sheet Materials section of the cut list.

I don't have a model available at the moment but I'll hunt around and see what I can find.

Dave

I see. Well, I will have to think about if I want to add that in as a feature...

If you could send me a drawing when you find one that would be great.

Btw, in what capacity do you do woodworking if you don't mind me asking? Like, do you do it as a hobby, a one man shop or a medium to large cabinet shop?

Cheers,
Dana W

You certainly don't have to add that feature on my account. Steve's plugin works perfectly for my needs and so I see little reason to change at this point.

My woodworking is basically for myself, my family and a few clients at this time. But, I do a lot of work with SketchUp for a number of clients which includes, among other things, detailed construction plans for various pieces of furniture. Once in awhile it might be kitchen cabinets or similar but primarily its more fine furniture types of pieces. While I might use materials for illustrations (such as for magazine articles or presentations), I don't use materials on models for the plan documents. And when I apply materials there might be as many as three different materials applied to the faces of the components. Typically there'll be a flat or rift sawn face, a quarter sawn face and end grain. And I might have three to seven different material images for a given wood species. How would your plugin deal with three different materials in the same component?

bwerst

I'm doing my first serious woodworking project needing detailed cutlists by material. I already created most of the project, a baby crib, in sketchup before starting using this plugin.

I'm having problems getting the materials to work in the plug in. I've been looking at the code in parts.rb and I think I found the issue. My materials were being assigned to the component instances, but not the component definitions so I made the following change to line #215 adding line #216 as shown in parts.rb which appears to solve my problem:


        if is_component
          
          part_name = s.definition.name
          sub_parts = s.definition.entities
215          #material = s.definition.material
216          material = s.definition.material ? s.definition.material ; s.material

I still haven't been able to figure out how to apply a material to a Component Definition. Everything I've tried just applies to a specific instance. In either case I can see many scenarios where Component Instance is more useful then Component Definition. What if I was making something with identically shaped parts but with different materials for a visual effect. Example: inlayed chess board or cutting board?

I would defer to someone with more experience with this plug in. It might work better to see if an Instance material is specified first and if not default to the Definition material.

I hope this is helpful to someone.

Dave R

@unknownuser said:

I still haven't been able to figure out how to apply a material to a Component Definition. Everything I've tried just applies to a specific instance. In either case I can see many scenarios where Component Instance is more useful then Component Definition. What if I was making something with identically shaped parts but with different materials for a visual effect. Example: inlayed chess board or cutting board?

Applying a material to a component definition only requires you to open the component for editing and applying the material to the faces. This will cause the material to show on every instance. Instances of a component implies that they are identical. If, in the case of your chessboard you've drawn the squares as individual tiles and used instances of the same component, you would use Make Unique on those that would be made of a different material. Although the dimensions of the tiles would be the same between the light and the dark, being made out of different species of wood means they aren't identical. In SU use Make Unique to separate them into two different definitions.

If you are applying materials without opening the components for editing, you give up the ability to control grain orientation. You can use vertical and horizontal versions of the material but you then have two different materials in your cut list.

bwerst

Thanks Dave for some clarification. I'm not worried about grain at this stage. I'm just trying to get a good cut list so I can figure out how much lumber I need to purchase. I was hoping to avoid assigning to all of the faces however it wouldn't be a big deal to edit and select all before applying the material.

So next question what's the fastest way to show the board feet information. I've found in the parts object where its being stored and calculated. Do I need to change the renderers? Ideally, it would be great if there was a checklist to show/hide the extra columns such as area, volume, and board feet that are stored in the part object.

Dave R

It is a simple matter to select all faces in a component before adding the material and if you have multiple instances of the component then of course they all get painted in one fell swoop.

I'm not using this specific plugin for cut lists so I can't answer your question about displaying board feet. For the plugin I do use, board feet are shown in the table for each line and there is a total at the bottom as well as totals by materials. Sheet materials and hardware can be separated out as well so the board foot calculation is only done for the solid lumber.

ishboo

@bwerst said:

So next question what's the fastest way to show the board feet information. I've found in the parts object where its being stored and calculated. Do I need to change the renderers? Ideally, it would be great if there was a checklist to show/hide the extra columns such as area, volume, and board feet that are stored in the part object.

I've got a rough board/square foot measurement to show up in the Web Page format. It shows a rounded up board feet/square foot measurement for each table. Probably only useful for Batched cutlists...

It doesn't yet show up in CSV but would be trivial to add (not sure I will add this though... needs more thought). Check out the renderers.rb file for "class HTMLReneder" and the method "section_footer" so you can see what is going on.

You can download the update here:
https://github.com/danawoodman/Google-Sketchup-Cutlister-Plugin/zipball/master

I'm sure I'm missing something but I hope this will help you a bit in using Cutlister. I am planning on a few big updates and improvements in the near future when I have the time

Cheers