Making mountains out of meltdowns (in Japan)
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@unknownuser said:
Grief and desolations.
My japan friends will appreciate "a few 'problems'" at the end of the chain
Seism-->Tsunami-->reactors melting"a few problems"?
11,000+++ dead? Are you mad??
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I speak of this!
@unknownuser said:
Despite a few 'problems' (mainly exaggerated by the western press),
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You do?
It doesn't read like that to me! It reads as if you have totally lost your reasoning!
Perhaps it's the translation that I am getting confused by?
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@unknownuser said:
Perhaps it's the translation that I am getting confused
I have understood that you consider Fukushima as "a few problems"
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I don't like the phrase "I saw it on the internet so it must be true"
So with this in mind I post the following link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110401/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_radioactive_boarsMaslow's hierarchy of needs is a theory in psychology, proposed by Abraham Maslow, at the bottom of the pyramid were "breathing, food, water, sex, sleep, homeostasis, excretion"
It amazes me how quickly humanity can be relegated back to the bottom of the pyramid through our own misuse of technology.time well tell!
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Worth to watch
Fairewinds Associates Chief Nuclear Engineer, Arnie Gundersen discusses the current state of the Fukushima plant in Japan.
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@unknownuser said:
Radiation levels in seawater remain high
The operator of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says radiation levels detected in seawater near the plant remain high.
Tokyo Electric Power Company says it detected 11,000 bequerels of radioactive iodine-131 per cubic centimeter in seawater samples collected around the water intake of the No.2 reactor on Tuesday morning.
That's 280,000 times higher than the maximum allowed under the government's standards.
The recorded radioactive concentration was still high even though it was lower than that of last Saturday, when 7.5 million times the legal limit was detected at the same spot.
The utility also detected 24 bequerels of iodine-131 per cubic centimeter, about 600 times higher than the legal limit, in samples taken near the water outlet of the No.5 and No.6 reactors on Tuesday. The figure was higher than that of the previous day.At a location about 330 meters south of the water outlet of the 4 reactors, the iodine-131 concentration had fallen from 4,385 times the legal limit detected last Wednesday to 400 times the legal limit, or 16 bequerels per cubic centimeter on Tuesday.
Wednesday, April 06, 2011 21:50 +0900 (JST)
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........and?
@unknownuser said:
At a location about 330 meters south of the water outlet of the 4 reactors, the iodine-131 concentration had fallen from 4,385 times the legal limit detected last Wednesday to 400 times the legal limit, or 16 bequerels per cubic centimeter on Tuesday.
And it will probably rise again, then fall....
How many dead from a direct exposure to the plant? None. Yet in the north, we seem to have forgotten about that again
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There probably will be only few deaths from direct radiation in Fukushim disaster. But its delayed effect are far more challenging to estimate. Chernobyl disaster is said to have 4,000 to 200,000 or more victims.
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Have you any idea of the real maintenance of a central plant ?
Take a look of this : RAS
The weak link is human! (or nature in the case of Fukushima)
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I used to believe that Japan was the land of the robots, but it appears that France and the US may be better prepared to work in radioactive environments.
Its been reported that the two fellows that were exposed to radioactive water in the plant have developed rashes. Hope it doesn't get worst, but who knows what will happen in the long run:(
@unknownuser said:
The highest specific exposures reported so far were of two workers at the Fukushima plant who received doses of 170 to 180 mSv on March 24 — lower than the new Japanese standard, but still enough to cause some symptoms (reports say the men had rashes on the areas exposed to radioactive water).
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Oooh developing itchy rashes? Nasty!
@unknownuser said:
but who knows what will happen in the long run:(
Quite. Most probably this I suppose?;
[flash=425,344:bdwa6ozo]http://www.youtube.com/v/HY-03vYYAjA?fs=1&hl=en_GB&fs=1&&[/flash:bdwa6ozo]
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@notareal said:
Chernobyl disaster is said to have 4,000 to 200,000 or more victims.
That's quite a ratio.
I hear Chernobyl is a tourist attraction?
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numbers of deaths,... numbers of deaths,...
take a look at the devastated zone closed because of radiation and think about it
what is happening to all this people ? to all that piece of land ?
they maybe not dead yet but they have been taken out of their homes and ways for getting a living.
is this tragedy a making mountains out of meltdowns ?YouTube - Inside report from Fukushima nuclear reactor evacuation zone
[flash=480,385:bacsqkhd]http://www.youtube.com/v/yp9iJ3pPuL8?fs=1&hl=es_ES[/flash:bacsqkhd] -
How would you feel if the alarms were playing Mozart of Debussy sonatas?
What about a sensor that measures pollen count. I bet the alarms would be screaming. They would be screaming here, yet people are hospitalised and even killed by attacks from asthma every week in Europe alone.
If it is so dangerous, why are these guys driving through no-man's land? What I find more moving are all the ripped up roads, and the lack of people. I mean where are all these people been moved too? What about the sick and the elderly? Who cares for them? And what the hell does 100µSv/h actually mean? We are talking "µ" here. ie micro.
This video has told me nothing. You even saw the film maker with a bare hand. What does that tell us? The most 'scary' thing about it were those panic alarms. Turn the volume down and look at it again? How do you feel now? The anti-nuclear lobby really need to get a sense of proportion!
AND, I should point out, what about the massive oil slick left by BP in the States last year. Did that ever get discussed in such large hysterical proportions, worldwide, on forums and thoughout the internet? Did it ****!?
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You are correct about the sound track.
@tfdesign said:What I find more moving are all the ripped up roads, and the lack of people. I mean where are all these people been moved too? What about the sick and the elderly? Who cares for them?
That is what I was refering to when talking about making mountains out of nothing.
salud -
It's okay. I know. I was reinforcing what you were saying
Salud!
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@unknownuser said:
Radiation levels exceed permissible limit
The science ministry says the amount of radiation accumulated over about half a month in some areas of Fukushima Prefecture has exceeded the permissible level for a whole year.Since March 23rd, the ministry has been measuring radiation levels in 15 locations more than 20 kilometers away from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
At one location, in Namie Town about 30 kilometers northwest of the plant, 14,480 microsieverts of radiation had accumulated over the 17-day period to Sunday.
8,440 microsieverts of radiation were observed in Iitate Village.In another location in Namie, the amount reached 6,430 microsieverts.
People would be exposed to this accumulated amount of radiation if they had stayed outdoors throughout the entire period.The level at one location was more than 14 times the 1,000 microsieverts that the International Commission on Radiological Protection recommends as the long-term annual reference level for people. The recommended level of 1,000 microsieverts excludes radiation from the natural environment and medical devices.
Hiroshima University Professor Kiyoshi Shizuma says most of the radiation observed in Fukushima is believed to be radioactive cesium that has fallen to the ground.
Shizuma advises residents to wear masks to avoid inhaling radioactive substances mixed with dust.
He points to the need to take samples both from the air and the ground for detailed analyses in order to assess any possible impact on human health.Monday, April 11, 2011 21:20 +0900 (JST)
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yessss....andddd.....?
I also heard on the radio this morning that the alert had been raised to category 7, the same as Chernobyl. But what we weren't told- until John Humphrys probed deeper (oohh-errr!), was that this reading was taken from irradiated water deep inside the reactor, and despite a crack in the wall in the reactor, levels were still 10 times lower than that of Chernobyl.
@unknownuser said:
Level seven previously only applied to the 1986 Chernobyl disaster, where 10 times as much radiation was emitted.
Japan: Nuclear crisis raised to Chernobyl level
Japan raises the severity rating of its nuclear crisis to the highest level, but says radiation leakage is a 10th of that from the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.
BBC News (www.bbc.co.uk)
You have to remember that yesterday there was another major tremor in Japan measuring something like 7.1 magnitude, with the epicentre only 50Km from Fukushima, Yet its reactor stayed intact.
@unknownuser said:
The epicentre of the quake was in Fukushima prefecture, and struck at a depth of just 10km (six miles).
Japan: Powerful earthquake hits north-east
A powerful earthquake hits north-east Japan, as the country marks one month since the devastating earthquake and tsunami.
BBC News (www.bbc.co.uk)
On 'a lighter note' (considering that the west are so obsessed by whats going on at the plant rather than up north), 28,000 now confirmed DEAD.
Deaths from Fukushima? NIL.
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@tfdesign said:
If it is so dangerous, why are these guys driving through no-man's land?
Make no mistake, radiation is dangerous. Life expectancy in the greater Chernobyl area (or was it the whole of Ukraine? - I forgot) has dropped from 75 to 55 years. And you'd really have to go out of your way over there to find a newly-born that hasn't got one or more chronic ilnesses.
In any case, whether or not the Fukushima incident poses a real health threat to, say, Tokyo's inhabitants (and it will), the likely outcome is that it'll profoundly change Japanese society. I cannot imagine there won't be mass migration to the south of the country. Keep in mind, 7 million (!) people left the Ukraine since Chernobyl.
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