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    • bmikeB Offline
      bmike
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      not just revit, but from what i know, autocad architecture does silly things too... splits up surfaces, triangulates all over the place, etc. etc.

      🤢

      mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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      • thomthomT Offline
        thomthom
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        Yea - I've seen that too. You get cylindrical columns from Revit that's been faceted into thousands small triangles. STupid thing.
        Though, this does not happen with all the file format you export to.
        What did you use? .3ds or .dwg?

        Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
        List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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        • honoluludesktopH Offline
          honoluludesktop
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          Boo, not a Revit user, but would it be incorrect to say that Revit selected the kind of surface to use in order to optimize the performance of its model? The straight bull nose is optimally constructed with rectangular faces, while the arced bull nose is best suited for a triangular mesh? That being the case, perhaps its SU lack of tools to work with mesh that is the problem.

          Again I demonstrate my ignorance with this speculative post:-) Sigh.... I better go and find a hobby.

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          • thomthomT Offline
            thomthom
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            No - it does not optimize. A cylinder is not optimized by thousands of triangulation.

            Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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            • honoluludesktopH Offline
              honoluludesktop
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              But Boo's triangulated mesh is not a straight cylinder (the one at the top of the case), it is the curved bull nose below the stright one.

              http://forums.sketchucation.com/download/file.php?id=52631

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              • bmikeB Offline
                bmike
                last edited by

                @thomthom said:

                Yea - I've seen that too. You get cylindrical columns from Revit that's been faceted into thousands small triangles. STupid thing.
                Though, this does not happen with all the file format you export to.
                What did you use? .3ds or .dwg?

                been using dwg... maybe i should try .3ds?

                then there is an issue with the windows / doors / etc. needing multiple steps to turn them into 'solids' for them to come into skup so i can see them. i've often rebuilt things from scratch so i get clean surfaces to work with.

                mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                • thomthomT Offline
                  thomthom
                  last edited by

                  @bmike said:

                  then there is an issue with the windows / doors / etc. needing multiple steps to turn them into 'solids' for them to come into skup so i can see them. i've often rebuilt things from scratch so i get clean surfaces to work with.

                  Ditto.
                  Another issue is that I often find that models that comes from Revit has small accuracy problems. tiny fraction off axis.
                  Or dividing a face with he line tool and I get double set with faces on top of each other.

                  Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                  List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                  • bmikeB Offline
                    bmike
                    last edited by

                    @thomthom said:

                    @bmike said:

                    then there is an issue with the windows / doors / etc. needing multiple steps to turn them into 'solids' for them to come into skup so i can see them. i've often rebuilt things from scratch so i get clean surfaces to work with.

                    Ditto.
                    Another issue is that I often find that models that comes from Revit has small accuracy problems. tiny fraction off axis.
                    Or dividing a face with he line tool and I get double set with faces on top of each other.

                    same here! the off axis is a head scratcher - especially when a component is created out of 'solid' or a block. usually i'm just using this for 'presentation' and to work out kinks that are easier to model / discuss / show in sketchup - but it is a pain.

                    we are trying to write a script to automate turning 'solids' into true solids. it will run in our 3rd party timber overlay... initial results look promising.

                    mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                    • boofredlayB Offline
                      boofredlay
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                      @honoluludesktop said:

                      Boo, not a Revit user, but would it be incorrect to say that Revit selected the kind of surface to use in order to optimize the performance of its model? The straight bull nose is optimally constructed with rectangular faces, while the arced bull nose is best suited for a triangular mesh? That being the case, perhaps its SU lack of tools to work with mesh that is the problem.

                      I can see what you are saying but see this drawer pull for example. There is no reason for this IMO. The first two are Revit views. The problem is obviously on Revit's side, not SU. Hidden line view looks like it should but once you go to shaded view you can see the problem.
                      Counters.jpg

                      Or these problems. Why the extra triangulated faces at the bottom of the arc?
                      Counters3.jpg

                      @thomthom said:

                      What did you use? .3ds or .dwg?

                      I used .dwg
                      Correct me if I am wrong but I don't see an option to export .3ds from Revit. I am using Revit 2011.
                      The only formats I see available are .dwg, .dxf, .dgn, .SAT and .FBX

                      And one last thing. This counter was made in separate sections. Every panel is a separate extrusion yet when brought into SU most everything is exploded. Frustrating.

                      http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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                      • thomthomT Offline
                        thomthom
                        last edited by

                        I have tried with .FBX - and then used Autodesk's FBX converter to convert to .3ds.

                        Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                        List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                        • boofredlayB Offline
                          boofredlay
                          last edited by

                          Does it work any better?

                          http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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                          • thomthomT Offline
                            thomthom
                            last edited by

                            FBX will preserve materials - while DWG will have none. But DWG preserve components better.
                            I made a crude script that iterated the model and applied some basic materials to DWG imports from revit - does most of the work.

                            Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                            • honoluludesktopH Offline
                              honoluludesktop
                              last edited by

                              Hmmm........ So the problem is apparent in revit. Sort of like SU's default number of edges in a circle. At least SU provides the user the option to change the number of edges. Well hope you fellows can find a acceptable solution.

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                              • AdamBA Offline
                                AdamB
                                last edited by

                                It would be trivial to write a Ruby that welded coplanar triangles back into polygons.

                                Or is this something different?

                                Adam

                                Developer of LightUp Click for website

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                                • boofredlayB Offline
                                  boofredlay
                                  last edited by

                                  That is the problem Adam, they are not coplanar. See image.
                                  I have also attached the main curved part of the counter for review. The geometry is simply a mess.


                                  Retail Counter Part.skp


                                  Counters6.jpg

                                  http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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                                  • AdamBA Offline
                                    AdamB
                                    last edited by

                                    I think I can see what is happening. Revit is trying to coalesce triangles. You can see this from your pic.
                                    I think what is happening is the tolerances for flatness are being confused the scale of the curvature. Imagine a single triangle. Is has 3 edge neighbours which are potential candidate for merging. If the curve is sufficiently small scale then Revit could mistaken choose a neighbour on the curve rather than the triangle that completes a Quad ..again and again.

                                    So see if there is a tolerance for flatness/planarity that can be tweaked. You could also try doing a scale up of your model in Revit before export to workaround any hardwired tolerances in the exporter.

                                    Adam

                                    Developer of LightUp Click for website

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                                    • boofredlayB Offline
                                      boofredlay
                                      last edited by

                                      Ah, I see where you are coming from now. I will try to remember to have a look this week for a tolerance.

                                      http://www.coroflot.com/boofredlay

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                                      • AnssiA Offline
                                        Anssi
                                        last edited by

                                        Is there a difference between exporting the model from Revit as a polymesh or ACIS solids? I must try myself, but I am just trying to learn Revit and haven't made anything spectacular to play with yet.

                                        Anssi

                                        securi adversus homines, securi adversus deos rem difficillimam adsecuti sunt, ut illis ne voto quidem opus esset

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                                        • P Offline
                                          putnik
                                          last edited by

                                          Anssi, exporting as polymesh gives you one exploded mesh, no groups, no components. With ACIS solids export, everything is nicely grouped.

                                          I find Fletch's Revit to SkethcUp via DWG workflow to be the best from what I've tried so far (thank you Fletch!). What I'm struggling to overcome is that all Revit walls import into SU as one of two layers, Walls Interior or Walls Exterior. We have different types of wall cladding used in a fairly intricate pattern, brickwork, diff. types of metal cladding, exotec etc. It is a big project and the idea of reapplying all the wall materials inside SketchUp is very painful (other building elements export fine and are managable).

                                          Anybody have any thoughts?

                                          http://keshas.info

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                                          • AnssiA Offline
                                            Anssi
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                                            @putnik said:

                                            Anssi, exporting as polymesh gives you one exploded mesh, no groups, no components. With ACIS solids export, everything is nicely grouped.

                                            I did my first 3D DWG export try yesterday and it was rather positive. Ok-had no fancy forms, but the minuscule rounded corners someone had put on his window profiles looked quite clean. I used the polymesh option and exported from a parallel projection view. Walls, slabs and roofs became simple surfaces, but family items (windows, doors, curtainwalls etc.) were neatly turned into components.

                                            Anssi

                                            securi adversus homines, securi adversus deos rem difficillimam adsecuti sunt, ut illis ne voto quidem opus esset

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