Is the Gallery section starting to resemble 3DWH?
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@slimdog said:
Ummmm maybe you should spend your time on other web sites then.
How would you expect junior modelers to learn?
Work posted in the gallery should be a showcase of your best work, or at least finished work you're proud of.
If you want people to critique your modelling/texturing/rendering etc. you should put it in sketchup discussions or the newbie forum. This is especially true of WIPs.
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I could not agree more Dean. There are a few posts that are worth while but we do not see those nearly as often as we used to. While I think it is a bit sad I also think it is a sign of the times with Sketchup increasingly being left behind by much better software with much more complete toolsets. We all loved Sketchup when we first tried it becasue it was easy to get the hang of and we could put out some decent work with a very shallow learning curve. Once you end up using it for a while you soon learn the limitations of the software. While I for one appreciate the plugin builders for all they have done I also am confused at why the software has not grown more than it has. I strongly feel once Google took over Sketchup it lost much of its appeal and just became an extension of Google Earth. I am tired of watching people make a box, lay a photo of a building on it and call the damn thing a house! There is not an ounce of skill in those types of models. I also have stopped commenting on many of the works I have seen here. When I was commenting I was trying to give advice which falls of young deaf ears. How many times can a car model be "Modded" by adding increasingly bigger rims, rear wings, and lowering the vehicle? It becomes pointless to visit the warehouse (I like to call it the Sh*@house), as there is not really anything there of much value anymore.
To be honest even this site has gone much quieter than in the past. While there are still the regulars, there is far more of the "look at the box I rendered" or "look at the new rims I made for this car" followed by "great job man"....when in reality it is garbage. I am all for people needing a place to get advice and learn from those who have been around a bit longer but those real artists are few and far between here lately. I do not want to take away from the guys who do contribute (many of which you named) because there are some great artists here but anyone who remembers this forum a few years ago remembers the quality of work that was regularly being shown compared to the utter lack of it now.
As far as commenting on peoples work, I feel like if they ask for comments and dont like the feedback they get then next time ask for only "positive comments". Either way those people will only listen to what they want to hear. If they think their work is so good then let them throw their work on http://www.cgsociety.org or http://www.cgarena.com/ or http://www.3dtotal.com/ and listen to the feedback they get then..... -
@unknownuser said:
Break the Gallery up......
A WIP Gallery - anything you have started, you need help with, you want comments on. Expect to get serious advise and crits.
A finnished Gallery - For works that you have finnished...nothing "in-progress". For comment only if the poster asks for it.
Thats the plan
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@remus said:
@unknownuser said:
Break the Gallery up......
A WIP Gallery - anything you have started, you need help with, you want comments on. Expect to get serious advise and crits.
A finnished Gallery - For works that you have finnished...nothing "in-progress". For comment only if the poster asks for it.
Thats the plan no 2
Thats the plan no 2
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@unknownuser said:
Break the Gallery up......
A WIP Gallery - anything you have started, you need help with, you want comments on. Expect to get serious advise and crits.
A finnished Gallery - For works that you have finnished...nothing "in-progress". For comment only if the poster asks for it.
+2.
Many other sites operate this way, even the "learning" sites, so why not here as well? It would reduce clutter and certainly provide a venue more suitable to professional, or at least more serious, critical advice and praise.
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Sounds like a great idea--WIP gallery. Might help those intimidated by the fabulous renders as well.
Could add another specialty group for Car modelers too. Or is a young people's forum needed?
@unknownuser said:
How many times can a car model be "Modded" by adding increasingly bigger rims, rear wings, and lowering the vehicle?
Don't know, but as long as there are pubescent boys, there'll be someone to do it, Scott.
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OK, hear what you are saying.
There is both the Kerky Forums and the Twilight Forums for instance where they separate the WIP Gallery from the "Finished" renders...This may rather look a technical separation only but that is all we can do now (I cannot inspire "better" posts with this - only "organize" the Gallery).
Added a poll as a global announcement running for a whole week.
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Great, but where's the voting buttons?
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@unknownuser said:
Great, but where's the voting buttons?
Hehe... Good catch, Stinkie!
Locking the topic "locked" the voting, too.
OK, I unlocked it now...
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Well ... it's still early, isn't it?
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To me? Yes. Only 8 a.m.
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Isn't to me, sadly. I have a 2 year old who is wide awake at 6. Bstrd. Er ... sorry about the OT, folks.
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Well, I've been up since about 6, too (maybe that's the problem?).
(And sorry for the OT here, too)
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I think I may be one of the annoyances that you are talking about. I post wip's to get constructive criticism, which I try my best to act upon. Even so, I agree that a wip thread is needed, and that the gallery should have sections for "common" posts such as renders, cars, and creators that have specific wip threads for all their works.
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You mean like a WIP sub forum?
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Yes, thats the gist of it.
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Competed works only in main section, WIPs elsewhere.
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I find the distinction between 'finished' and 'in-progress' to be nuanced, subjective, and irrelevant to the work itself, which is what I assume the gallery is about, not to mention that it would be a self-applied criteria; some folks never think anything is 'done' since they are ever trying to improve it or are simply of the unsatisfied sort. WIP threads might be encouraged to be so titled if the voting finds wading through same too burdensome.
'Criticism' is in this context I think maybe not the most appropriate for what might be better termed help or opinion. It just sounds a little negative, though I know it need not be construed that way..., and I do appreciate the OP's sentiments.
As far as the subject matter goes, trash or subjects which do not appeal to any one of us, whether wheel rims or textureless architectural models, can just as easily make their way to the WIP or Finished Gallery/s, so that in and of itself will offer no relief...
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Personally i disagree that the distinction between finished and in-progress has to be nuanced and subjective. I think a thread that starts of detailing the very beginnings of a project, where the author knows theres is still a lot of work to be done, can easily be labelled a work in progress compared to a piece of work that has been taken as far as the author wants.
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I voted yes but I also think most forums that have separate WIP and Gallery threads have two sections that are nearly identical. The modo WIP and Gallery are pretty much the same.
This is kind of inevitable. If someone posts something in the Gallery and you think the lighting isn't so great do you not say so? If you do make a comment, then that thread becomes identical to a WIP thread.
Further, someone who is showing work that you think is a 'box with a photograph stuck on the side' might consider it done and show it in the Gallery section. Separating the two sections does nothing to shunt works of a lower quality to one area and works of a higher quality to another.
One way around this is to have a Gallery section that is chosen by the moderators. modo has a WIP and a Gallery in their forums but there's a separate Gallery that is not a part of the forums. Inclusion in that section is determined by Luxology. And it's not a forum, there's no posts just the images.
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