Scenes driving me CRAZY! ! !
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Apologies if this is something that should be obvious to me, but I am pulling my hair out regarding Scenes and the (supposed) ability to changes attributes from one scene to the next.
I CAN get camera positions to change (obviously) but the only other attribute that will "update" for each scene is Shadows. I really want to change the Style attributes (shaded, shaded using textures, shaded using same, wireframe, and Display Edges/profiles, extension, etc.) from one scene to the next. But no matter what I do, or what order I do it in, those elements only seem to change universally (i.e. for every scene). I've even repeatedly watched some tutorials on YouTube and thought I found my answer, but it does not seem to work on my machine.
I've made a series of nine scenes circling around an object I built, all the Style attributes were the same, and then I tried to change them from scene to scene but they'd always just apply to all. Then, I tried to tweak each scene as I created it, and I got the same results!
I wanted to create a basic animation of an object as the camera pans around it and progresses from something like primitive wireframe with extensions and depth cue all the way to fully textured object with shadows and everything clean and neat at the end. Is this possible?
Please point out my mistake. I looked for a tutorial here but may have missed it. Any help appreciated.
(SU Pro 6.4.245, OS X Tiger, 2x3GHz Quad Core 16GB RAM Mac Pro)
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Make sure every scene is updated with the style you want. Set the style variables in each style edit section. I think that should help to solve your problem.
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Go to Preferences (under the SketchUp menu on Mac) and click on General. Tick the box for Warn of style changes when creating scenes. Then when you create a new scene that has a style different from the currently selected scene, you should get a prompt box telling you the scene is different and asking you what you want to do about it. Choose Save as a new style. This will help from the get go.
Open the Scenes dialog box and check to see if, under Properties to save:, you have Style and Fog ticked. It should be. And, when you update scenes make sure you are only doing one at a time.
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They often have the same effect on me. Perhaps you got some help which helped. If not, witness, if you like, another's peeves:
http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=27431
http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=27274I think the scene and style managers are due some serious surgery.
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Hi Lilchaka, hi folks.
Rigth click on any scene tab.
Choose the last choice "Scene manager".
If you see a small + sign near the top rigth of the window that popped up, click it to expand the dialog window.
On the bottom, below the scene name, you will see a list of the parameters that can be memorized by a scene.
Make sure that all the parameters that you want to update are checked.
Just ideas.
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@dave r said:
Go to Preferences (under the SketchUp menu on Mac) and click on General. Tick the box for Warn of style changes when creating scenes. Then when you create a new scene that has a style different from the currently selected scene, you should get a prompt box telling you the scene is different and asking you what you want to do about it. Choose Save as a new style. This will help from the get go.
This seems to have done it for me. "Save as a new style." It's the only thing I wasn't doing properly, though I have to say that the entire "scene/style/save/update/etc." paradigm was a bit difficult to get my head around (and I'm still not sure I understand it 100%). Thanks Dave.
What I was trying to achieve wasn't being accomplished, especially after I would see the apparent ease of something like this:
Of course, the Warning dialogue box and the entire aspect of that particular preference setting isn't really addressed by him in that video.
Anyway, thanks for all of the advice. Once I figured out this problem, I was halfway home. Now the only thing I need to figure out is why Sketchup doesn't like some of my scenes when I export them all as an animation. Of my 9 individual scenes, when I export everything (including the first two scenes), the last 3 (the ones with the colors and textures turned on) don't render correctly. When I delete those first two scenes, however (the two with a real primitive wireframe/sketchy look to them) then the remaining ones render fine. I guess I may just have to export the scenes in two "groups" and join them in Quicktime (though I was trying to avoid any possible jerkiness that might occur during such a cut-and-paste transition).
If anyone has a suggestion on the animation oddity, please let me know. Otherwise, thanks for the help!
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Sounds like those scenes are set to not retain style information - meaning they have no style associated with them. They will accept whatever style is current when the scene is activated.
You could go to them in scene manager and tick the box to make them rememeber sctyle info, and then set them to the correct style. That might help. That is just my guess of what is going on, it could be something else though,
Chris
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@chris fullmer said:
Sounds like those scenes are set to not retain style information - meaning they have no style associated with them. They will accept whatever style is current when the scene is activated.
Hi Chris. I don't think so, I've checked all that -- the scenes are all okay and are retaining all style attributes, etc. Also, they all display fine when I "play" the animation within Sketchup. It's just that when they're all output together as a continuous Quicktime animation those last 3 scenes (the "flashy", textured ones, so to speak) are rendered without the color or the texture, and in the very last scene the object that's the focal point turns completely black. BUT . . .
If I don't include the first two scenes (primitive wireframe renderings) then all the rest (including the last 3) render perfectly. It's something about the first two that seems to mess up something with the last three.
Weird.
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Is this s model you could upload here to the forum?
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Todd, I'm glad my suggestion helped you out. I tried exporting your scenes on my PC and had no trouble with the last few scenes. Everything seemed to work as it should. I did a quick video upload to Youtube here.
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Thanks Dave. I don't know what it is, then. Must be some configuration problem, or some subtle bug that I can't figure out.
I know we're talking about two different animals, your PC and my Mac, but if you get a chance maybe you could let me know what kind of export settings you've got set up for your animations -- codec choice, frame rate, movie size & type, etc.
I've tried multiple codecs (H.264, Mpeg-4, etc.) and different frame rates and still get the problem with the last 3 scenes being B&W and not color. I have no idea . . .
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Todd, I used the following export options.
640 x 480
FR: 29.97
Cinepak Codec by Radius
and Antialias was ticked.It could also be that I am using version 7 and you are using version 6. When I get a little more time, I'll try it on my Mac which also has V7 pro on it.
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