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    • Al HartA Offline
      Al Hart
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      @solo said:

      How many shiny floor renders are out there? to many, even I was guilty of this in the beginning.

      When we wrote the Lightscape rendering interface for Giza (Office Furniture), that was all we did. We have a room with some ceiling lights and a shiny floor. The user placed the office furniture in the room (with no other shiny surfaces) and created a rendering.

      For that industry at that time (more than 10 years ago), it was a great, easy solution.

      When we introduced SketchUp to one of the users, he immediately went after the reflective floor again - without using a renderer - by mirroring all the furniture and walls below the floor, and making the floor partially transparent.

      A shiny floor still goes a long way.

      This is the furniture image, rendered entirely in SketchUp with floor reflection.
      (Courtesy Steve Ulstad - ProjectMatrix)


      mil08-resized.jpg

      Al Hart

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      • soloS Offline
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        http://forums.sketchucation.com/download/file.php?id=35734

        Luckily she is not wearing a skirt.

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          • Al HartA Offline
            Al Hart
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            @solo said:

            Luckily she is not wearing a skirt.

            But I think it is an impressive rendering for a new user who is trying to find a way to get reflection without having to use an external rendering engine. 😄

            Actually, there is a similar trick where you put the camera below the floor, grab an image, and merge the image into the floor texture. This could easily be done with a ruby (are you listening Chris F. ?)

            Al Hart

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            • K Offline
              kwistenbiebel
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              Reflection, glossiness, fresnel ,to show what each parameter does.

              Reflection and glossiness probably speak for themselves.
              'Fresnel effect'= the fact that the amount of reflectance you see on a surface depends on the viewing angle.

              (values are Vray )

              http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/kwistenbiebel1/reflection_layer_in_vray_for_ske-2.png

              http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/kwistenbiebel1/reflection_layer_in_vray_for_ske-1.png

              materials with a very high IOR(index of refraction), such as metals:

              http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/kwistenbiebel1/reflection_layer_in_vray_for_sketch.png

              For unbiased render engines like Maxwell, other specific variables like 'roughness','ND' etc.. are used.

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              • GaieusG Offline
                Gaieus
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                @solo said:

                ...Luckily she is not wearing a skirt.

                🤣

                OK, joking aside. Indeed in reality, every material reflets light (otherwise we could not see them obviously). As was pointed out above, there are several parameters that need to be taken into account. Most important is how it reflects light (that's governed by the IOR value - i.e. it will be a sharp, pointy reflection with higher values or more dispersed with lower ones) and the shininess (i.e. the amount of this reflection).

                Now here is an example below where there is the outside with the physical sun shining direct sunshine (the direction is shown by the red arrow from the door) and the indirect kind of lighting "shone" by the physical sky (this is practically coming from every direction but of course, "pinholed" by the openings).

                It is very interesting to see how a rather flat brick texture still reflects direct and indirect light as well and causes different, multiple reflections say on the left, when the light from the door first hits one column which then reflecting (but with low IOR, also dispersing) this sunshine and lighting the other column (that's what we can see on the left) as well as the wall all around.

                The more indirect sky light is lighting everything more subtly but gives an overall "global illumination" to the scene and only reflects when our eye is directly exposed to the reflections caused and directed by the IOR (these are marked with blue).

                The whole mixture of these bouncing photons will eventually give the "photorealistic" feel of a render (this particular one of course does not claim to be a real PR render - not to speak about the still untextured walls and window frames).

                Obviously a "newbie mistake" is to overdo shininess (and I am still in this newbie phase of course) but reflection is not (necessarily) about visible shininess but about such multiple, bouncing reflections.

                And please, everybody excuse me now for this post as I am really inexperienced at rendering.


                Bazilika-Texture18.jpg

                Gai...

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                • Al HartA Offline
                  Al Hart
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                  @gaieus said:

                  And please, everybody excuse me now for this post as I am really inexperienced at rendering.

                  Good - if watching us all argue about this tip gets you to try some more renderings than we have had at least one positive effect.

                  You might appreciate this next weeks tip: Use 2 pt perspective for better vertical alignment

                  (Unless, of course, the columns are actually placed at an angle. You do not seem to have the camera pointing up or down)

                  http://wiki.renderplus.com/images/4/4e/2-pt-sketchup.jpg

                  Al Hart

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                  • Al HartA Offline
                    Al Hart
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                    @kwistenbiebel said:

                    And the tip for the week after that:Tip Of the Week after next week

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                    • K Offline
                      kwistenbiebel
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                      @al hart said:

                      You might appreciate this next weeks tip: Use 2 pt perspective for better vertical alignment

                      And the tip for the week after that:Tip Of the Week after Next Week.

                      .

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                      • K Offline
                        kwistenbiebel
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                        sorry, couldn't resist 😄

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                          sepo
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                          🤣

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                          • GaieusG Offline
                            Gaieus
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                            @al hart said:

                            You might appreciate this next weeks tip: 2 pt perspective for better vertical alignment...

                            No, they are not at all placed in angle - here is a "real ortho" (parallel projection) view...

                            I am (of course) not happy with some of the procedural textures yet...


                            Bazilika-Texture17.jpg

                            Gai...

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