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      taosd
      last edited by

      Hi Gaieus,

      Thanks for the warm welcome. Attached is a sample of the floorplan I am working on (We will focus on the one closest to the origin, the left most one). If you look at the arching area in the middle of the floorplan, it looks to be sectioned off, but I cannot raise it. I really appreciate your assistance.

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      • GaieusG Offline
        Gaieus
        last edited by

        Ehm... The attachment?

        As for the arc being sectioned; every curve is sectioned and every curved surface is faceted in SU. You can set the segment number higher or lower (to make it look smoother or have the model lighter) but there will always be segments/facets.


        Edit: re-reading your (and my) post, I may have misunderstood that "sectioning" for "segmenting". The file would be useful.

        Gai...

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          taosd
          last edited by

          hmm strange... i certainly did attempt to attach it... let me try again.


          Model - 3 Levels - 1.skp

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          • GaieusG Offline
            Gaieus
            last edited by

            OK, I see the problem. Was trying something but got a nice bugsplat. Will experiment more. The curved lines seem to be coplanar though.

            Gai...

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            • GaieusG Offline
              Gaieus
              last edited by

              Well, as I made one of the "guesses" above, there are numerous "stray lines" there. Many of the edges are doubled (or even tripled!). See this bigger view and then the close-up.

              You'll definitely need to clean up the model for this to work.


              Big.png


              Close.png

              Gai...

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              • GaieusG Offline
                Gaieus
                last edited by

                It's definitely a buggy model, I have to say. It took quite a while to fix (in the meanwhile, I made a couple of "validity checks" [Window > Model info > Statistics & "Fix problems" at the bottom] and got these weird results attached - and even at the end, on saving, it reported problems).

                Validity check.png

                Here is the file "more or less" fixed but I'd rather re-do the whole inner area instead because it may still give you headaches. I also reversed many of the faces so that now the white shows outside but not all.


                Model - 3 Levels - 1-1.skp

                Gai...

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                • honoluludesktopH Offline
                  honoluludesktop
                  last edited by

                  What CAD program created the original model, and how was it imported? My guess is that it may be easier to go to the original program, and close all lines, then to fix it in SU. If you think that the original model is good; coplanar, and all segments joined, it could be the export function of your program that is not accurate. If you are using ACAD, native or DXF, then the problem is in the drafting method used to make the original drawing. If that is the case, in the long run, unless you change your drafting procedure, you will continue to have problems. One way to avoid the problem with unclosed line segments, is to draw the original line as a polyline, or to loft it into faces (surfaces) before porting to SU.

                  Attached is a DXF made of 3 arcs, that were extruded into polylines along the z axis as faces (surfaces) then converted to dxf. Rename the file Temp.txt to temp.dxf then import it into SU and you will find a curved wall.

                  Btw: to any admin person. Why can't I upload a DXF directly? Especially since it is nothing more then a text file.


                  TEMP.TXT

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                    taosd
                    last edited by

                    wow! I really appreciate your level of assistance! What could you recommend to prevent the model from having a bunch of issues on it in the future?

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                    • GaieusG Offline
                      Gaieus
                      last edited by

                      Well, if you import CAD drawings, be very careful as Honoluludesktop suggested above.

                      If you draw straight in SU, well, also be careful. 😄
                      Here you must gave used the arc tool several times on top of each other (I guess) or something like that. There are a bunch of really great curve drawing plugins; they can also help.

                      Gai...

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                        taosd
                        last edited by

                        hmm... i did import from autocad 2009... strange. oh well... Thanks for your help.

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                        • honoluludesktopH Offline
                          honoluludesktop
                          last edited by

                          Hi raosd, If you are importing a native ACAD file, then it must be the a problem in the way you are creating the original drawing. Make sure that when you draw, the line segments are trimed together. If however you are certain that your ACAD line segments are joined, then I don't know what the problem is, unless it is SU, but if this were the case, I would expect that other users would have mentioned it before. There is a way to test this but it is very involved, and requires that you save to dxf and look at the raw line segment data.

                          Sorry for questioning your sincerity regarding this post, but you have not even bothered to download the files that were created, and posted for your benefit. If you had, and the admin. program is at fault, please except my apology.

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                            taosd
                            last edited by

                            Hi HonoluluDesktop, I hadn't downloaded the files yet, but I have now. I was busy and didn't get a chance to download and check out the file until now. My apologies.

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