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    Render test, please...tomsdesk 2.5d trees?

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    • honoluludesktopH 離線
      honoluludesktop
      最後由 編輯

      Remus, how do you weld edges?

      Tom, I didn't realize your trees had that many entites.

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      • R 離線
        remus
        最後由 編輯

        With weld.rb, you can find it on smustard.

        http://remusrendering.wordpress.com/

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        • honoluludesktopH 離線
          honoluludesktop
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          Remus, Thanks,

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          • EdsonE 離線
            Edson
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            i am having trouble rendering tom's trees in podium. i read everywhere that all i should do is explode them and i will be set, but i it does not seem that clear to me:
            question 1: do i explode the whole component or the sub-component image with the leaves?
            question 2: is it enough to explode one or should i select all and explode?

            even though i do have the sun on (see the image from the skippy) i get no shadows in podium. and when i got one to work by chance the shadow was solid, not as i see in some of the pictures above. not even in sketchup i get shadows that are not blocky.

            i am surely doing something wrong, but what? any tips?


            TD_testsSUP.png


            20090322095114_40s.jpg

            edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
            http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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            • thomthomT 離線
              thomthom
              最後由 編輯

              I think you have to enable a setting in podium itself to make it render sun shadows. I believe it's like V-Ray, it doesn't automatically use the SU sun, you have to tell it to.

              Also, if Podium is like V-Ray: I had to explode the Image elements in the tree. That's the planes with the leaves. I made a plugin which will find all Images in a model and explode them. Automating the process. http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=17154

              Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
              List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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              • thomthomT 離線
                thomthom
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                Another thing regarding the shadows: Do you have a plane underneath the trees?
                In SU you can set the sun to cast shadows on the "ground", which means you get a shadow on the ground plane even if there's no geometry there. For V-Ray for instance, that won't work, you have to place some real geometry underneath it. What You See Isn't Always What You Get.

                Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                • EdsonE 離線
                  Edson
                  最後由 編輯

                  thomas,

                  thanks for the help. i had indeed forgotten to put a plane under the tree... 😳

                  however, the sun is not enabled in podium but in SUp.

                  i had found your script some hours ago but was struggling with it (very useful!). in one of my firts attempts at exploding the tree it created a new bunch of leaves close to the ground, as you can see below.

                  question: should one just select the tree and run the script or should one get inside the component and select the leaf bunches?

                  regards.


                  Picture 43.png

                  edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
                  http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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                  • thomthomT 離線
                    thomthom
                    最後由 編輯

                    Hmm... that's odd. Does that happen every time?
                    You don't have to select anything, because the script will explode every Image in the model to make it render.
                    Could you send me that .skp you made the screenshot from so I could have a look?

                    Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                    List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                    • EdsonE 離線
                      Edson
                      最後由 編輯

                      no, it did not happen every time. unfortunately, that was just a test skp. i did not even save it. should it occur again i will save it and PM it to you.

                      edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
                      http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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                      • T 離線
                        tomsdesk
                        最後由 編輯

                        Sorry about the confusion...hope these a few thousand words worth ( :`) on the subject clear things up a bit:


                        tn_Image-a.jpg


                        tn_Image-b.jpg


                        tn_Image-c.jpg


                        tn_Image-d.jpg


                        tn_Image-e.jpg

                        http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
                        2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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                        • thomthomT 離線
                          thomthom
                          最後由 編輯

                          I've been playing with these trees and found them to be great skeletons to map billboard trees to give them more volume.

                          I replaced the original leaf textures with photos of real trees. (really quick and dirty - only meant for birds eye view scenes)

                          Since each tree is only ~20-50 faces I can put loads out there. Perfect for birdseye views when you have lots of vegetation. Billboards just doesn't work in that perspective.

                          I'll do some more tests with more colour variations so it doesn't look so uniform.


                          Tree_Test.png


                          ~1900 trees


                          ~8000 trees

                          Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                          List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                          • EdsonE 離線
                            Edson
                            最後由 編輯

                            this looks great, thomas. will you make them available here?

                            edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
                            http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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                            • thomthomT 離線
                              thomthom
                              最後由 編輯

                              @edson said:

                              this looks great, thomas. will you make them available here?

                              I can't do that. It's tom's trees. From his commercial collection. http://solosplace.com/Tomsdesk.aspx

                              They are originally NPR - but I just wanted to demonstrate that they work with other textures as well. Though, I could post some replacement texture when I get around to make some proper ones. (Along with description of how to do the changes.)

                              Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                              List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                              • thomthomT 離線
                                thomthom
                                最後由 編輯

                                I just used standard settings when I rendered and they turned out rather dark. Here's a lighter variant.


                                Colour Adjusted

                                Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                • P 離線
                                  Prisoner
                                  最後由 編輯

                                  WOW, they look great Tom! Those replacement textures would be very interesting.

                                  Here is an Artlantis render I did to find out if I can use them. Had to disable the 2 shadow layers, fiddle with the shaders a bit to get the transparency working, that's it. 20 seconds when I knew what to do.

                                  Great Trees. The bundles are on my personal wishlist now 😄


                                  2,5D Tree.jpg

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                                  • EscapeArtistE 離線
                                    EscapeArtist
                                    最後由 編輯

                                    Kerkythea, 500x500. I had to explode everything to each individual face and delete the main vertical and horizontal face in the tree before exporting to Kerky. Once in Kerky, I used the alphas as clip maps, inverted them and rendered.


                                    Kerkythea 500 x 500

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                                    • thomthomT 離線
                                      thomthom
                                      最後由 編輯

                                      To make the trees you see in my test renders I first exported the texture from the model:

                                      Original Texture

                                      I then opened it Photoshop and overlaid a photo of some leaf vegetation - ensuring to keep the original transparency.
                                      TDleaf_B6_01.pngTDleaf_B6_02.png

                                      A different replacement for TDleaf_Bs1-5
                                      TDleaf_Bs1-5_alpha_02.png

                                      As you can see, it was done quick and dirty. Position and scale wasn't done much with.
                                      With some more care taken to choose replacement texture and position and scale it - I'd think that you could get closer to the trees and they'd still look ok.

                                      Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                      List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                      • GaieusG 離線
                                        Gaieus
                                        最後由 編輯

                                        I wonder how easy or hard it would be to turn these trees into dynamic components and you could choose to have PR-"ish" or NPR rendering options in the dialog. 😒

                                        Gai...

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                                        • thomthomT 離線
                                          thomthom
                                          最後由 編輯

                                          @gaieus said:

                                          I wonder how easy or hard it would be to turn these trees into dynamic components and you could choose to have PR-"ish" or NPR rendering options in the dialog. 😒

                                          Not too much work. You have one set of faces with PR on one layer and one set of NPR on another. Then you make a checkbox option that toggles them. (You might be able to do it without layers as well, can't remember right now.)

                                          Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                          List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                          • T 離線
                                            tomsdesk
                                            最後由 編輯

                                            Wouldn't putting several pngs in a dynamic component push the bytes way up?

                                            Thomas, All, try this (no need to map it to the old alpha, just replace the old image with this one):
                                            leaves1ds.png

                                            http://www.tomsdesk.moonfruit.com/
                                            2.5D Trees & Shrubs!

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